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Idle Swede · 6 January 2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 1000ftSub

Thanks Leo. The watch is fine, they open it up checked the inside and cleaned it out.

A Rolex watchmaker completely disassembled the watch, cleaned and oiled it and put it back together?

If that's the case then all is good.

Safetrends · 6 January 2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

Well, why don't we just wait and see what happens, easy for me since we're playing with your wallet.

My guess, you will have a rusty movement down the line.

I would have the watch serviced, new seals, better to pay small money that a rusted movement down the road. Just my 2 cents. I have see watches on Ebay with rusted movements all the time.

Lol-x · 6 January 2010, 12:55 PM

I would happily spend someone else's money

Eddie talks of the silent killer......well don't hold your breath.....you might have to wait another 100 years for your watch to be unusable.

Interesting these watches will all outlive us

The main thing is that you are happy

1000ftSub · 6 January 2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lol-x

I would happily spend someone else's money

Eddie talks of the silent killer......well don't hold your breath.....you might have to wait another 100 years for your watch to be unusable.

Interesting these watches will all outlive us

The main thing is that you are happy

indeed Steve

Idle Swede · 6 January 2010, 01:18 PM

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Eddie talks of the silent killer......well don't hold your breath.....you might have to wait another 100 years for your watch to be unusable.

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Are you talking from experience Steve?

My experience is that it takes approx. 7-10 months before the movement is rusted out.

Safetrends · 6 January 2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lol-x

Eddie talks of the silent killer......well don't hold your breath.....you might have to wait another 100 years for your watch to be unusable.

QUOTE]

Are you talking from experience Steve?

My experience is that it takes approx. 7-10 months before the movement is rusted out.

Food for thought:
It would be nice when this watch was examined that a guarantee would be placed on it, if it does rust out who will have to foot the bill the owner of the watch or the one who examined the watch saying it was good to go?

Something like a dealer stating the engine is full of oil just to have the engine seize up say one thousand miles when in fact the engine was low on oil in the first place. Who would be paying for a new engine?

See the problem here?

Idle Swede · 6 January 2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

Food for thought:
It would be nice when this watch was examined that a guarantee would be placed on it, if it does rust out who will have to foot the bill the owner of the watch or the one who examined the watch saying it was good to go?

Something like a dealer stating the engine is full of oil just to have the engine seize up say one thousand miles when in fact the engine was low on oil in the first place. Who would be paying for a new engine?

See the problem here?

Not really a problem..............the owner pays.

gardoggie · 6 January 2010, 01:54 PM

Something is amiss here. I think Directioneng is right on several points. The watch was initially sealed with an internal pressure equal to atmospheric (plus a tiny bit due to the compression of the o-ring), and atmospheric pressure depends on the altitude of the factory, so it roughly had 14.7 psia (or 0 psig) internally. Going 6 ft under fresh water would give a pressure imbalance of approx. 2.7 psi higher on the outside of the watch versus the internal pressure. It isn't much, but it can move the water into the watch if it isn't sealed.

If water got into the watch, a seal must be leaking somewhere. For the water to have disappeared, it either evaporated to the outside (leaking seal), or as Directioneng said, it converted to oxidation (rust), or it is in vapor form and will continue cycle between evaporating and condensing, depending on the changing temperature of the watch.

It is hard to believe that Rolex would have improperly designed the Triplock seal system to where moisture could be transferred from the outside world into the watch as the crown is slid in and out. I don't have drawings, but I would bet that the seals stay within the sealing surface to where the moisture would never get past the first seal (unless it is damaged).

So, I would suspect that if moisture did get into the watch, something is not sealed properly and there is seal damage to at least one seal or more, meaning more moisture will get in unless the trip to the watchmaker fixed the problem...

But, I am a newbie, so I'll keep m opinions to myself, so please don't flame me...

P.S. I would like to hear what the experts say as to whether the crown has to be screwed in to seal, and if not, how deep can the watch be submerged with the crown out.

Safetrends · 6 January 2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Safetrends

Not really a problem..............the owner pays.

You are so right however an engine and a Rolex movement can equal to the same cash value!

Idle Swede · 6 January 2010, 02:07 PM

You are absolutely right John and with changing temperatures he will see moisture under the crystal.

Idle Swede · 6 January 2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

You are so right however an engine and a Rolex movement can equal to the same cash value!

I have replaced many a engines for less than a Rolex movement replacement.

Safetrends · 6 January 2010, 02:09 PM

Leo from what I have read the crown can be out on this watch and it suppose to be water proof under 20 feet? Or did I read this wrong?

Idle Swede · 6 January 2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Safetrends

Leo from what I have read the crown can be out on this watch and it suppose to be water proof under 20 feet? Or did I read this wrong?

That is correct and I'm looking for the schematics but can't seem to find it right now.

Instead let me show you what the "damage" is for moisture.

Whiskey · 7 January 2010, 03:58 PM

That's $1250 for a movement back in 2005.

Wonder what it is now? Hazzard a guess at $2000 at least?

cornerstore · 17 January 2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gardoggie

Something is amiss here. I think Directioneng is right on several points. The watch was initially sealed with an internal pressure equal to atmospheric (plus a tiny bit due to the compression of the o-ring), and atmospheric pressure depends on the altitude of the factory, so it roughly had 14.7 psia (or 0 psig) internally. Going 6 ft under fresh water would give a pressure imbalance of approx. 2.7 psi higher on the outside of the watch versus the internal pressure. It isn't much, but it can move the water into the watch if it isn't sealed.

If water got into the watch, a seal must be leaking somewhere. For the water to have disappeared, it either evaporated to the outside (leaking seal), or as Directioneng said, it converted to oxidation (rust), or it is in vapor form and will continue cycle between evaporating and condensing, depending on the changing temperature of the watch.

It is hard to believe that Rolex would have improperly designed the Triplock seal system to where moisture could be transferred from the outside world into the watch as the crown is slid in and out. I don't have drawings, but I would bet that the seals stay within the sealing surface to where the moisture would never get past the first seal (unless it is damaged).

So, I would suspect that if moisture did get into the watch, something is not sealed properly and there is seal damage to at least one seal or more, meaning more moisture will get in unless the trip to the watchmaker fixed the problem...

But, I am a newbie, so I'll keep m opinions to myself, so please don't flame me...

P.S. I would like to hear what the experts say as to whether the crown has to be screwed in to seal, and if not, how deep can the watch be submerged with the crown out.

I'm no expert but came across this Interesting pics and info. "The crown has only one gasket deep within the crown. The case tube has two internal gaskets, one external gasket and one that fits between the case tube and the outside wall of the machined case.

http://www.horologist.com/rolex_crown.htm

ParisDakarBmw · 17 January 2010, 11:53 AM

In an emergency case you can pull the stem, and place it in a sealed container of rice. Pour a cup of rice in the container. Lay the watch on top of the rice. The rice will pull the humidity from the air. If you can pop the case back, be careful not to expose any dust to the movement. Keep it there until you transport it to the watchmaker.

You would only do something like this if you were on vacation, or during a long weekend. The watch will surely need the attention at the watchmaker, but this will prevent the damage from being worse. I've seen it done a couple of times. It's simple. They also have some fancy moisture absorbers, but this works as good in a pinch.

datejust1 · 17 January 2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

This is an odd post IMO. Water getting in, water getting out via a hair dryer?

I did that with old watches I had. Unscrew the crown and put it below close desk light and wait. It works perfect.

Safetrends · 17 January 2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Whiskey

That's $1250 for a movement back in 2005.

Wonder what it is now? Hazzard a guess at $2000 at least?

A used 1575 movement is 1,200.00 in excellent condition as of 12/09.

And newer movements are more money.

ParisDakarBmw · 17 January 2010, 12:03 PM

Salt water is nasty to a movement. I saw a womans DJ. She set the time after she left for vacation. She came back a week later. There was still water inside. Not humidity, but WATER. She said she was swimming in a saltwater pool when this happened. We popped the back, and It made me queasy. The movement was covered in red rust. She was upset. There wasn't much hope for that one.

Andad · 17 January 2010, 12:17 PM

You should have given her some rice before she went on vacation.

cornerstore · 17 January 2010, 12:32 PM

Found this interesting from a repair site."Therefore, in the event that water has entered your watch, or even if you just notice moisture or fog under the crystal, it is very important that you have the watch serviced right away. DO NOT unscrew the winding crown and try to "dry out" the watch. By allowing oxygen to enter a water-damaged watch you are simply jumpstarting the oxidation process and accelerating the rust damage. Instead, you should seal the watch in a zip-lock plastic bag "

However from what I read here http://www.horologist.com/rolex_crown.htm water generally under the conditions mentioned should not have entered unless gaskets /orings/ seals were faulty.

ParisDakarBmw · 17 January 2010, 12:33 PM

I guess it's a toss of the dice then. Rolex aquarium for a weekend, or a vallient attempt to save it's life.

cornerstore · 17 January 2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

I guess it's a toss of the dice then. Rolex aquarium for a weekend, or a vallient attempt to save it's life.

Dammed if you do dammed if you don't .

But oxygen kick starts rust so the sealed baggy with rice does seem like a classic counter intuitive move.

I had a Vintage Seamaster Manual wind that had a lot of water damage inside and it was caused by being air shipped and crystals forming inside. My watch repair guy told me if a watch gets frozen (not something that would happen if you are wearing it against your skin) it can get moisture inside even if all gaskets are intact and crown closed. So I experimented and sure enough another watch I had which showed no previous moisture signs did show signs of moisture after only a couple hours in freezing conditions.

CaveDiver · 17 January 2010, 01:51 PM

If it was salt water, he is hosed if not cleaned pronto..
If a little water got in inside, could take the back off and put it in an environment chamber low heat and low humidity to dry it out with the back off. To much heat and two low of humidity and that would be bad for the seal(s).. Best to pay for a service but to each his own.

6 January 2010, 12:55 PM	#63
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,270	I would happily spend someone else's money Eddie talks of the silent killer......well don't hold your breath.....you might have to wait another 100 years for your watch to be unusable. Interesting these watches will all outlive us The main thing is that you are happy __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

6 January 2010, 01:54 PM	#68
gardoggie "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: John Location: New Mexico Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 26	Something is amiss here. I think Directioneng is right on several points. The watch was initially sealed with an internal pressure equal to atmospheric (plus a tiny bit due to the compression of the o-ring), and atmospheric pressure depends on the altitude of the factory, so it roughly had 14.7 psia (or 0 psig) internally. Going 6 ft under fresh water would give a pressure imbalance of approx. 2.7 psi higher on the outside of the watch versus the internal pressure. It isn't much, but it can move the water into the watch if it isn't sealed. If water got into the watch, a seal must be leaking somewhere. For the water to have disappeared, it either evaporated to the outside (leaking seal), or as Directioneng said, it converted to oxidation (rust), or it is in vapor form and will continue cycle between evaporating and condensing, depending on the changing temperature of the watch. It is hard to believe that Rolex would have improperly designed the Triplock seal system to where moisture could be transferred from the outside world into the watch as the crown is slid in and out. I don't have drawings, but I would bet that the seals stay within the sealing surface to where the moisture would never get past the first seal (unless it is damaged). So, I would suspect that if moisture did get into the watch, something is not sealed properly and there is seal damage to at least one seal or more, meaning more moisture will get in unless the trip to the watchmaker fixed the problem... But, I am a newbie, so I'll keep m opinions to myself, so please don't flame me... P.S. I would like to hear what the experts say as to whether the crown has to be screwed in to seal, and if not, how deep can the watch be submerged with the crown out. __________________ John Last edited by gardoggie; 6 January 2010 at 01:58 PM.. Reason: fixed wording

17 January 2010, 12:03 PM	#79
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	Salt water is nasty to a movement. I saw a womans DJ. She set the time after she left for vacation. She came back a week later. There was still water inside. Not humidity, but WATER. She said she was swimming in a saltwater pool when this happened. We popped the back, and It made me queasy. The movement was covered in red rust. She was upset. There wasn't much hope for that one. Last edited by ParisDakarBmw; 17 January 2010 at 12:05 PM.. Reason: .

6 January 2010, 01:18 PM	#65
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	[QUOTE=Lol-x;1549566] Eddie talks of the silent killer......well don't hold your breath.....you might have to wait another 100 years for your watch to be unusable. QUOTE] Are you talking from experience Steve? My experience is that it takes approx. 7-10 months before the movement is rusted out.

6 January 2010, 02:07 PM	#70
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	You are absolutely right John and with changing temperatures he will see moisture under the crystal.

6 January 2010, 02:09 PM	#72
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	Leo from what I have read the crown can be out on this watch and it suppose to be water proof under 20 feet? Or did I read this wrong?

7 January 2010, 03:58 PM	#74
Whiskey Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, Canada Watch: Deepsea Posts: 521	That's $1250 for a movement back in 2005. Wonder what it is now? Hazzard a guess at $2000 at least?

17 January 2010, 11:53 AM	#76
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	In an emergency case you can pull the stem, and place it in a sealed container of rice. Pour a cup of rice in the container. Lay the watch on top of the rice. The rice will pull the humidity from the air. If you can pop the case back, be careful not to expose any dust to the movement. Keep it there until you transport it to the watchmaker. You would only do something like this if you were on vacation, or during a long weekend. The watch will surely need the attention at the watchmaker, but this will prevent the damage from being worse. I've seen it done a couple of times. It's simple. They also have some fancy moisture absorbers, but this works as good in a pinch.

17 January 2010, 12:17 PM	#80
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,962	You should have given her some rice before she went on vacation.

17 January 2010, 12:32 PM	#81
cornerstore "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 4,002	Found this interesting from a repair site."Therefore, in the event that water has entered your watch, or even if you just notice moisture or fog under the crystal, it is very important that you have the watch serviced right away. DO NOT unscrew the winding crown and try to "dry out" the watch. By allowing oxygen to enter a water-damaged watch you are simply jumpstarting the oxidation process and accelerating the rust damage. Instead, you should seal the watch in a zip-lock plastic bag " However from what I read here http://www.horologist.com/rolex_crown.htm water generally under the conditions mentioned should not have entered unless gaskets /orings/ seals were faulty.

17 January 2010, 12:33 PM	#82
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	I guess it's a toss of the dice then. Rolex aquarium for a weekend, or a vallient attempt to save it's life.

17 January 2010, 01:51 PM	#84
CaveDiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,075	If it was salt water, he is hosed if not cleaned pronto.. If a little water got in inside, could take the back off and put it in an environment chamber low heat and low humidity to dry it out with the back off. To much heat and two low of humidity and that would be bad for the seal(s).. Best to pay for a service but to each his own.

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