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02transam · 5 August 2009, 01:27 PM

Do you think this watch is real or fake??? I have a friend that just bought this watch and he is telling me that it is real. I would love to bust him out if it isn't............

BTW, I am new to the forum but have been browsing for a while..... Looking forward to be a proud Rolex owner soon.

Andad · 5 August 2009, 03:10 PM

IMO it's real.

02transam · 5 August 2009, 10:43 PM

I have been staring @ thes pics for a while now..... For some reason your second hand seams longer.... Could it be the angle?

Lol-x · 5 August 2009, 11:32 PM

I think it might be questionable on the basis of the width of the lume in the minute and hour hands. That doesn't look wide enough to me.
Also the writing of "Rolex" on the dial just doesn't seem to be the style of typeface that is used on Milgauss GV's that I've seen.
Seems to me that in any front on photo the arrow head of the second hand should be in the 'tick zone' of the minute markers, but this is definitely not the case with the first photo in this thread.

idk01 · 5 August 2009, 11:45 PM

The second hand is shorter in the first photo compared to Eddie's, and the coronet on the dial is also off, do you have any more info EG. link or more photos at different angles:-)

Also, Welcome

onkyo · 6 August 2009, 01:24 AM

The crown looks very suspicious....

Also, the bezel appears slightly wider on the top photo.

If that's a fake, it pretty close to the real one .... and it's only going to get harder and harder to tell the difference.

ps the surrounds looks wrong also.... not WG.

Mr. Manners · 6 August 2009, 06:35 AM

Gentle reader,

As a gag one of our engineers purchased a couple of these while in China for "awards" for a recent project. The first image looks exactly like the fake that I was given down to the "o" in the dial coronet, the slightly shorter second hand, and the off center crystal coronet. One way to make absolutely sure is to unscrew the crown, pull it out to the first detent, and turn the crown clockwise to see if you hear the date wheel hidden under the dial clicking. Yes, they used a "date" movement and merely covered it with the dial. Then you will know for sure.

The fakes also do not have "flat" orange second hands; the paint sort of "bubbles" up and looks rounded due to surface tension when still wet. If the paint on the second hand looks raised and rounded you have a fake. Also the chinese movements have a pronounced clicking sweep which seems to be about 5 clicks a second. If you invert the watch check the solid end links; look at the spring bars. If the tips of the spring bars appear to be slightly bent away from the head you have a fake. Another thing I noticed upon opening my "award" was the movement was not signed in any way and the inside of the caseback was totally incorrect; in fact it was gibberish. If you look closely at the "ROLEX" etched on the ring under the crystal and on the inside of the solid end links you'll notice they look slightly gold colored.

I removed the SEL with PCL bracelet and placed it on a vintage Tudor Date Day I recently finished restoring. The band is actually quite nice for a fake. One teltale giveaway on the bracelet is the last link of the 12 o'clock side of the band down at the clasp; it may be milled out like it was supposed to be on a Submariner fake extension bracelet.

Respectfully,

Mr. Manners

mattyb65 · 6 August 2009, 06:48 AM

LEC seems too visible...highly suspicious

vitix · 6 August 2009, 06:49 AM

we need to see more pics man, the back the bracalet....

02transam · 6 August 2009, 09:34 AM

Ok guys, thanks for the input.... Will try and get more pics from him.

BTW, you guys seem to be very knowledgeable..... I am going to enjoy this forum 8-)

TimeToGo · 6 August 2009, 09:46 AM

Welcome to the Forum - 02TranSam!

02transam · 6 August 2009, 10:16 AM

It looks like it is a bit too reflective.... No?

springer · 6 August 2009, 10:20 AM

The green-glass in this post is a fake. There are many inconsistencies if you compare it with a genuine green-glass. Two that stand out are the coronet and the hands are the incorrect length.

02transam · 6 August 2009, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

The green-glass in this post is a fake. There are many inconsistencies if you compare it with a genuine green-glass. Two that stand out are the coronet and the hands are the incorrect length.

haha, awesome.....

BTW, do you have any pictures on how it is supposed to look.

02transam · 6 August 2009, 10:40 AM

Here is a picture I took from essentialwatches.com.... They are asking $7200..

02transam · 6 August 2009, 10:50 AM

haha, this is getting fun.... I have also noticed that on the second hand the lightning bolt isn't a perfect Z like the Gen... It looks more like squares.

anybody else notice this?

tudorman8276 · 6 August 2009, 11:38 AM

...second hand. YOURS is flat instead of a point!

train-time · 6 August 2009, 11:43 AM

If you look at the second hand very carefully, not only is it shorter, but the "lightening" like bolts are squarely alinged or attached ofset to each other, as opposed to the sharp reverse points on the real Rolex second hand. IMO, it's a fakeroooo!

whcrowder · 6 August 2009, 11:43 AM

Is it just my amateur eyes or Is an etched coronet on the crystal that stands out during a routine picture a huge warning sign??? I admit that I have very limited macro photography experience, but I have to look really hard to see that tiny crystal on my watches from ADs......

Some Pair · 7 August 2009, 09:32 AM

...Great info thread on an ever growing problem!

Andad · 7 August 2009, 07:56 PM

I compared the dials as best as I could.

But the crown is now really bothering me as is the Rolex crown on the dial.

I must admit I wasn't looking for a LEC, Billy, as the Milgauss doesn't have one. Why would a faker put a LEC on a fake that doesn't have one on the original? Are they that dumb?

The rehaute engraving on the first pix looked correct to me and that is unusual for a fake.

There is no substitute for a physical hands on inspection.

5 August 2009, 01:27 PM	#1
02transam Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 78	Fake or Not? Do you think this watch is real or fake??? I have a friend that just bought this watch and he is telling me that it is real. I would love to bust him out if it isn't............ BTW, I am new to the forum but have been browsing for a while..... Looking forward to be a proud Rolex owner soon.

5 August 2009, 11:32 PM	#4
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,269	I think it might be questionable on the basis of the width of the lume in the minute and hour hands. That doesn't look wide enough to me. Also the writing of "Rolex" on the dial just doesn't seem to be the style of typeface that is used on Milgauss GV's that I've seen. Seems to me that in any front on photo the arrow head of the second hand should be in the 'tick zone' of the minute markers, but this is definitely not the case with the first photo in this thread. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

5 August 2009, 11:45 PM	#5
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	The second hand is shorter in the first photo compared to Eddie's, and the coronet on the dial is also off, do you have any more info EG. link or more photos at different angles:-) Also, Welcome __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

6 August 2009, 06:35 AM	#7
Mr. Manners Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Watch: Tudor Date+Day Posts: 56	Looks like a fake Gentle reader, As a gag one of our engineers purchased a couple of these while in China for "awards" for a recent project. The first image looks exactly like the fake that I was given down to the "o" in the dial coronet, the slightly shorter second hand, and the off center crystal coronet. One way to make absolutely sure is to unscrew the crown, pull it out to the first detent, and turn the crown clockwise to see if you hear the date wheel hidden under the dial clicking. Yes, they used a "date" movement and merely covered it with the dial. Then you will know for sure. The fakes also do not have "flat" orange second hands; the paint sort of "bubbles" up and looks rounded due to surface tension when still wet. If the paint on the second hand looks raised and rounded you have a fake. Also the chinese movements have a pronounced clicking sweep which seems to be about 5 clicks a second. If you invert the watch check the solid end links; look at the spring bars. If the tips of the spring bars appear to be slightly bent away from the head you have a fake. Another thing I noticed upon opening my "award" was the movement was not signed in any way and the inside of the caseback was totally incorrect; in fact it was gibberish. If you look closely at the "ROLEX" etched on the ring under the crystal and on the inside of the solid end links you'll notice they look slightly gold colored. I removed the SEL with PCL bracelet and placed it on a vintage Tudor Date Day I recently finished restoring. The band is actually quite nice for a fake. One teltale giveaway on the bracelet is the last link of the 12 o'clock side of the band down at the clasp; it may be milled out like it was supposed to be on a Submariner fake extension bracelet. Respectfully, Mr. Manners

6 August 2009, 10:20 AM	#13
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,239	The green-glass in this post is a fake. There are many inconsistencies if you compare it with a genuine green-glass. Two that stand out are the coronet and the hands are the incorrect length. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

5 August 2009, 10:43 PM	#3
02transam Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 78	I have been staring @ thes pics for a while now..... For some reason your second hand seams longer.... Could it be the angle?

6 August 2009, 01:24 AM	#6
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	The crown looks very suspicious.... Also, the bezel appears slightly wider on the top photo. If that's a fake, it pretty close to the real one .... and it's only going to get harder and harder to tell the difference. ps the surrounds looks wrong also.... not WG.

6 August 2009, 06:48 AM	#8
mattyb65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Boston Watch: Rolex Sub-C Posts: 130	LEC seems too visible...highly suspicious

6 August 2009, 06:49 AM	#9
vitix Banned Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: magneeleVE Location: Usa Watch: magneeleVE Posts: 2,030	we need to see more pics man, the back the bracalet....

6 August 2009, 09:34 AM	#10
02transam Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 78	Ok guys, thanks for the input.... Will try and get more pics from him. BTW, you guys seem to be very knowledgeable..... I am going to enjoy this forum 8-)

6 August 2009, 09:46 AM	#11
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,625	Welcome to the Forum - 02TranSam!

6 August 2009, 10:16 AM	#12
02transam Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 78	It looks like it is a bit too reflective.... No?

6 August 2009, 10:40 AM	#15
02transam Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 78	Here is a picture I took from essentialwatches.com.... They are asking $7200..

6 August 2009, 10:50 AM	#16
02transam Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 78	haha, this is getting fun.... I have also noticed that on the second hand the lightning bolt isn't a perfect Z like the Gen... It looks more like squares. anybody else notice this?

6 August 2009, 11:38 AM	#17
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,584	...also, look at the NON-POINTED... ...second hand. YOURS is flat instead of a point!

6 August 2009, 11:43 AM	#18
train-time "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Over there Posts: 4,018	If you look at the second hand very carefully, not only is it shorter, but the "lightening" like bolts are squarely alinged or attached ofset to each other, as opposed to the sharp reverse points on the real Rolex second hand. IMO, it's a fakeroooo!

6 August 2009, 11:43 AM	#19
whcrowder Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Billy Location: Jackson, MS Watch: Rolex Day-Date Posts: 508	Is it just my amateur eyes or Is an etched coronet on the crystal that stands out during a routine picture a huge warning sign??? I admit that I have very limited macro photography experience, but I have to look really hard to see that tiny crystal on my watches from ADs......

7 August 2009, 09:32 AM	#20
Some Pair Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: seFl.byWayOfBklyn Watch: The Rollie's..... Posts: 609	Great Catch! ...Great info thread on an ever growing problem!

7 August 2009, 07:56 PM	#21
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,952	I compared the dials as best as I could. But the crown is now really bothering me as is the Rolex crown on the dial. I must admit I wasn't looking for a LEC, Billy, as the Milgauss doesn't have one. Why would a faker put a LEC on a fake that doesn't have one on the original? Are they that dumb? The rehaute engraving on the first pix looked correct to me and that is unusual for a fake. There is no substitute for a physical hands on inspection. __________________ E

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