NFL chit chat 2022 Season

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

He has the personality of a hockey puck, so it does make you scratch your head.

his job is to shield the owners from all the controversies and backlash so they could stay doing whatever they want. i don't really think he's there because of his actual skills as a commissioner

[joeychitwood]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

He has the personality of a hockey puck, so it does make you scratch your head.

That’s unfair to hockey pucks.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

That’s unfair to hockey pucks.

You’re right. I was trying to be culturally inclusive to our Canadian members. But a hockey puck can provide actual enjoyment and utility to other human beings, so the metaphor was inapt.

[East Bay Rider]

This is why all sports should be hockey.

[daveathall]

In other (but related) news, San Francisco 49ers consortium will take over control of the English football (soccer) team, Leeds United that I support near the end of the year. It currently has the 17th highest revenue of all football teams worldwide.

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/...sso_ott=CHP9E6

[austinp]

Very entertaining game! No dog in the fight here but man that was a soft call. May not have mattered in the end but would have made for a more exciting finish.


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[Star Ferry]

Eagles played poorly on defense in 2nd half and made two massive mistakes (the Hurts fumble + giving up biggest punt return in Super Bowl history) but overall looked like the better team. NFL officiating is crooked and sketchy. Didn’t gamble on this game and plan to never gamble on NFL again. It’s simply not worth it spending your money on rigged games.

[GB-man]

Total nonsense call. The chiefs dominated in the second half regardless but what a let down for the ending with that call.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Total nonsense call. The chiefs dominated in the second half regardless but what a let down for the ending with that call.

I agree. I have no dog in the fight and don’t really care who won, but it is a shame such a fantastic game was decided by such a ticky-tack penalty

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by daveathall

In other (but related) news, San Francisco 49ers consortium will take over control of the English football (soccer) team, Leeds United that I support near the end of the year. It currently has the 17th highest revenue of all football teams worldwide.

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/...sso_ott=CHP9E6

Seriously? Leeds United is 17th in Worldwide Revenue? Who would have thought that? BTW, the pick up of Mckinney from Juventus was a brilliant move. Lotta American midfielders on that squad now. Good luck to your team.

[SDGT3]

Was it ever established it was a hold or just a touch because I saw it twice and never saw a hold?? Too soft a call down the stretch to be that impactful on the outcome.

[Rico_Brasole]

Originally Posted by twitch54

Exactly Dave, trust me, no one in Philly gives a rats rear end, they're going to the Super Bowl !

Welp. Guess they got a participation trophy
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[Rico_Brasole]

Originally Posted by Krash

Why do you think they were both knocked out? SF couldn’t handle the Eagles relentless pass rush.






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[daveathall]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Seriously? Leeds United is 17th in Worldwide Revenue? Who would have thought that? BTW, the pick up of Mckinney from Juventus was a brilliant move. Lotta American midfielders on that squad now. Good luck to your team.

It was 18th last season but I heard they went up to 17th this season. I agree, it was a surprise to me as well. Having said that, I would be surprised if Newcastle United haven't or don't go way up the list.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ubs-worldwide/

Philadelphia sport overall had a really good season, their Football, Baseball and Soccer teams all coming second in their respective championships, I am not sure where the Basketball team came but know they had a good season as well.

[Star Ferry]

Now media reports the player admits to committing the holding penalty, as if that’s proof positive the refs did a great job. In a league where questioning the penalty results in a punitive fine, what else was he allowed to say? His only other option was to say nothing.

[GB-man]

He took the high road. ESPN analyst consensus is that yes it’s a hold by the book but the refs had been letting similar calls go all game and then decided to call the first hold of the game there which seems brutal given it wasn’t egregious. There’s always something.

[RyanJ]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Was it ever established it was a hold or just a touch because I saw it twice and never saw a hold?? Too soft a call down the stretch to be that impactful on the outcome.

It was a hold. Most people are only referring to the touch once the player was turned around. Before that the jersey was held and pulled. That was not really shown during the replays.

James Bradberry 100% admitted he held the player and was hoping the refs would miss it.

In my opinion, it settles all debate when the player admits to committing the hold. Refs made a good call.

Of course it doesn't matter. The losing team and their fans will come up with any excuse to make their loss feel better. It doesn't matter who is playing. It is always the ref's fault when you lose.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by RyanJ

It was a hold. Most people are only referring to the touch once the player was turned around. Before that the jersey was held and pulled. That was not really shown during the replays.

James Bradberry 100% admitted he held the player and was hoping the refs would miss it.

In my opinion, it settles all debate when the player admits to committing the hold. Refs made a good call.

Of course it doesn't matter. The losing team and their fans will come up with any excuse to make their loss feel better. It doesn't matter who is playing. It is always the ref's fault when you lose.

I could care less who won or lost and made a comment on what I saw on TV. IF the broadcast doesn't show the entire play, that's a problem and full disclosure, it's a reason why people believe these games, if not fixed, are suspect at the very least. The player making the comment was obviously after the game so the general public has a case on what they didn't see, regardless of the fan base.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by RyanJ

It was a hold. Most people are only referring to the touch once the player was turned around. Before that the jersey was held and pulled. That was not really shown during the replays.

James Bradberry 100% admitted he held the player and was hoping the refs would miss it.

In my opinion, it settles all debate when the player admits to committing the hold. Refs made a good call.

Of course it doesn't matter. The losing team and their fans will come up with any excuse to make their loss feel better. It doesn't matter who is playing. It is always the ref's fault when you lose.

He is contractually obligated to not question the officiating. But the real controversy isn’t about whether there was technically holding (there was) but rather about how the refs failed to call the game consistently and predictably

[RyanJ]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

He is contractually obligated to not question the officiating. But the real controversy isn’t about whether there was technically holding (there was) but rather about how the refs failed to call the game consistently and predictably

Do we have copies of the contract showing this? You could be right. I just have never seen anything positive on that. I mean I get people have been fined before for speaking out on certain things but it may not be written directly in the contract.

I agree with you on the refs failing to call the game consistently. That is a much better argument for people to make.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by RyanJ

Do we have copies of the contract showing this? You could be right. I just have never seen anything positive on that. I mean I get people have been fined before for speaking out on certain things but it may not be written directly in the contract.

I agree with you on the refs failing to call the game consistently. That is a much better argument for people to make.

I haven’t seen the wording. Probably it is NFL policy that is incorporated by reference into all their employment contracts. Just like if I sign a rental lease with a condo owner, the condominium rules are incorporated by reference.

[twitch54]

Originally Posted by Rico_Brasole

Welp. Guess they got a participation trophy
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LOL, as a native Buffalonian we know all too well about such trophies ! great season regardless !!

Go Phillies !!!!!

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

I haven’t seen the wording. Probably it is NFL policy that is incorporated by reference into all their employment contracts. Just like if I sign a rental lease with a condo owner, the condominium rules are incorporated by reference.

You are correct. It’s disciplined under policy as conduct detrimental to the league.

The fact that players and coaches were willing to pay fines for speaking out should be a red flag for the league, but Roger would rather deny it’s a problem than fix the problem. Ref bowl is here to stay.

I was cheering for the Chiefs yesterday. The call taints the game for me in the same way the terrible officiating tainted the Bengals game. For the ref’s to make that call at that point in the game feel justified they needed to call a lot of other stuff that they ignored throughout the game. It’s easy to raise conspiracies with the ill timed change in policing strategy at that moment.

[TheVTCGuy]

Interesting stat:

There were over 60 pass attempts in the game yesterday between the two teams. The total number of PI or Defensive holding calls:

One (1)

I am not a Philly fan, had no money bet on the game, couldn’t care less the Chiefs won, and who knows what would have happens had that penalty not been called, , (chiefs miss the field goal, there is a roughing the kicker penalty, the Eagles are unable to move the ball after the kickoff to tie or win the game etc.). but to decide the most important game of the year on a ticky-tack penalty call is am insult to NFL fans and an embarrassment to the NFL organization.

Yes, this is all JMHO, and congrats to the Kansas City Chiefs, I actually think they deserved to win, but that ref decided it.

60+ pass attempts and that was the only penalty huh?

[austinp]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Interesting stat:

There were over 60 pass attempts in the game yesterday between the two teams. The total number of PI or Defensive holding calls:

One (1)

I am not a Philly fan, had no money bet on the game, couldn’t care less the Chiefs won, and who knows what would have happens had that penalty not been called, , (chiefs miss the field goal, there is a roughing the kicker penalty, the Eagles are unable to move the ball after the kickoff to tie or win the game etc.). but to decide the most important game of the year on a ticky-tack penalty call is am insult to NFL fans and an embarrassment to the NFL organization.

Yes, this is all JMHO, and congrats to the Kansas City Chiefs, I actually think they deserved to win, but that ref decided it.

60+ pass attempts and that was the only penalty huh?

There was .77 defensive holding calls per team per game this year. The Saints led the league with 14 and the Cardinals had 2. So statistically about the right amount in last nights game.

The Eagles had 7 and the Chiefs 4 this season.


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[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by austinp

There was .77 defensive holding calls per team per game this year. The Saints led the league with 14 and the Cardinals had 2. So statistically about the right amount in last nights game.

The Eagles had 7 and the Chiefs 4 this season.


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I don’t think it’s a story about defensive holding penalties specifically. It’s about how the game was being called generally. For example, there was helmet to helmet contact initiated by a defender not called on the game’s opening drive.

In the end, I’ll never be able to conclusively prove it was a crooked call or even the wrong call. But like pornography, you tend to know it when you see it. Similarly, the people who thought it was a good clean call are also not going to change their opinions.

[AzPaul]

Silly call. In a game like that, and in a spot like that, the ref needs to be better.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

Silly call. In a game like that, and in a spot like that, the ref needs to be better.

i like to think of it as payback for the overturned fumble. i still feel like that was a catch and fumble, but i guess now that no one knows what a catch is anymore they can keep blurring the lines

[77T]

The “what if’s” will go forever.

I asked ChatGPT to run it every which way possible.

Assuming no Def. Holding Penalty:
KC went for the FG on 4th down.
They were 3pts up at that point.
Phil. squandered the clock.
They came up short.
Game ended with same score.

Def. Holding Penalty meaningless.

Not scientist - just Chatty McChatty GPT-face user.


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[huncho]

Originally Posted by 77T

The “what if’s” will go forever.

I asked ChatGPT to run it every which way possible.

Assuming no Def. Holding Penalty:
KC went for the FG on 4th down.
They were 3pts up at that point.
Phil. squandered the clock.
They came up short.
Game ended with same score.

Def. Holding Penalty meaningless.

Not scientist - just Chatty McChatty GPT-face user.


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yeah no point in doing what ifs as there are endless arguments for both sides. the penalty definitely sucked and ruined what was otherwise an amazing game. it's hard for me to support anything philly but i will admit Hurts is a stud and balled out on the biggest stage. i think he for sure proved that he's a top 5 qb and not just the product of a good oline, unfortunately the defense just let him down this time. they have elite receivers and an all around good team though, i think they'll have another run if they stay healthy