Rant

[RogerOP]

Go grey, wait or go elsewhere.

For me I’m waiting until my birthday weekend and for my staycation I’ll have my 126610 on my wrist, one way or another.

But after that, I’m done with Rolex until things get back to normal. If they don’t then JLC Reverso in about 2-3 years and that’s it.

We’re wasting time waiting, just to buy something that tells us the time. Not worth the disappointment and energy b

[Giovannibravo]

Originally Posted by jimcameron

Since this topic has been beaten to death, I'll change the subject. Congratulation on obtaining a PhD. What field of study?

Thank you. Civil Engineering. Specifically, Computational Mechanics if anyone knows. Like the one OP said. It’s definitely not English.

[Jim_GMT]

I think it sounds like the SA just didn't phrase it right. You can get a DJ ordered and it will arrive relatively soon but you will be in for a long wait on a BLNR.

If you went in asking about both, why not go for the DJ now and when it arrives, get a BLNR on order?

[Jim_GMT]

Also, grey prices are seriously dropping. Here in the UK just saw an older BLNR go for about £2k over the current list price.

https://www.watchcollecting.com/for-...er-ii-batman-2

[Sgooter]

Originally Posted by minute_man

...But instant gratification, chest thumping and measurement contests have replaced common sense....

[cdm765]

Originally Posted by Jim_GMT

I think it sounds like the SA just didn't phrase it right. You can get a DJ ordered and it will arrive relatively soon but you will be in for a long wait on a BLNR.

If you went in asking about both, why not go for the DJ now and when it arrives, get a BLNR on order?

Because PHD’s don’t get paid very much?

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Jim_GMT

Also, grey prices are seriously dropping. Here in the UK just saw an older BLNR go for about £2k over the current list price.

https://www.watchcollecting.com/for-...er-ii-batman-2

that's an 8 year old watch in a fairly used condition. market is down but this isn't exactly relevant to the prices of newer models which still have big premiums

[Brny11]

Originally Posted by 2loaded

The struggle is real. Not sure what a "ND Sub" is..
Your last sentence rings true and sound advice.
Happy hunting!

Yes you do.


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[Giovannibravo]

Originally Posted by cdm765

Because PHD’s don’t get paid very much?

You are correct. I got pretty lucky on some investments sheltered in a TFSA.

[doublevanose82]

Originally Posted by jb335

Demand outstrips supply, therefore ADs can’t make everyone’s favorite watch available. You sound entitled to me.


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Agreed, just go grey and get it over with.

[VerticalClutch]

I really wouldn’t take it personally. If there are 10 great customers for that AD who are waiting, how can they possibly justify giving you a Batman and not one of those 10? What if the AD will take years to clear the 10 customer ahead of you? The S.A. was just trying to be honest. You can’t be upset at Rolex or an AD for the current demand for Rolex watches. It sucks, it really does, but it’s the reality, it’s not personal.

I’m in hopes the new facilities Rolex is brining on line over the next few years will help with the supply side.

[GONZO2LR]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

From the ADs' standpoint, why should they allocate you a SS GMT when they have others who do continually spend a lot on other high dollar stuff at their stores, who also want them. A lot of this is just a common- sense approach by the ADs to a limited supply situation which they did not create. It is frustrating to buyers, especially where Rolex advertises incessantly, two billboards per AD, yet the company has no products the casual buyer can purchase.

common sense...some here forget...you are the customer, walking in a store to purchase a product YOU want...not what the sales person telling you what to buy!!!!!!....remember...you are the customer doing them a favor...not the other way around....

unless you dont know how to dress or what to wear, how to talk...how to think, walk, wear your hair.......then maybe you do need help! common sense...a lot of people dont have!!

[febie111]

Originally Posted by GONZO2LR

common sense...some here forget...you are the customer, walking in a store to purchase a product YOU want...not what the sales person telling you what to buy!!!!!!....remember...you are the customer doing them a favor...not the other way around....

unless you dont know how to dress or what to wear, how to talk...how to think, walk, wear your hair.......then maybe you do need help! common sense...a lot of people dont have!!

Agree and yes, common sense is a rare thing these days.

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by GONZO2LR

common sense...some here forget...you are the customer, walking in a store to purchase a product YOU want...not what the sales person telling you what to buy!!!!!!....remember...you are the customer doing them a favor...not the other way around....

unless you dont know how to dress or what to wear, how to talk...how to think, walk, wear your hair.......then maybe you do need help! common sense...a lot of people dont have!!

Except it’s not that way it is if you’re trying to buy something for which there are 20 buyers for every one item.

Which is the problem with all these threads. People refusing to accept the reality as it is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=409Pjtq7jzY

[huncho]

Originally Posted by GONZO2LR

common sense...some here forget...you are the customer, walking in a store to purchase a product YOU want...not what the sales person telling you what to buy!!!!!!....remember...you are the customer doing them a favor...not the other way around....

unless you dont know how to dress or what to wear, how to talk...how to think, walk, wear your hair.......then maybe you do need help! common sense...a lot of people dont have!!

actually they are doing you a favor because if they let you buy a BLNR you can instantly flip it for thousands more. they're essentially giving you free money in todays watch environment, so your argument only makes sense for specific watches

ironically you would think this part is common sense but it's easier to just say everyone's dumb right

[Partners]

Originally Posted by huncho

actually they are doing you a favor because if they let you buy a BLNR you can instantly flip it for thousands more. they're essentially giving you free money in todays watch environment, so your argument only makes sense for specific watches

ironically you would think this part is common sense but it's easier to just say everyone's dumb right

This

[Seddyspaghetti]

Originally Posted by huncho

actually they are doing you a favor because if they let you buy a BLNR you can instantly flip it for thousands more. they're essentially giving you free money in todays watch environment, so your argument only makes sense for specific watches

ironically you would think this part is common sense but it's easier to just say everyone's dumb right

Lol.

[Gebbeth]

I know this has been a subject of thousands of discussions and tens of thousands of posts, so nothing said here, or by me, will move the needle in the argument in any appreciable way.

Watch enthusiast's opinions about Rolex seem to be based on a certain market perception of what the brand represents.

By that I mean, on the one hand, people who have been buying watches for awhile remember a time when a Rolex was a high quality watch that was not necessarily a luxury watch, but a purposeful, tool watch.

President Day-Dates not withstanding, which was a pure status watch in many eyes, Subs, GMTs, Explorers, even Air Kings and Milgauss' were tool watches for the discerning. As such, they were available for these people to buy.

On the flip side, more recent collectors know Rolex to be the current status symbol watch. They never really looked at it as a tool watch. Everyone knows Rolex. Everyone knows what Rolex "means". If you are a baller, you know Rolex. If you are Joe Schmo, you know Rolex. If you are a housewife, you know Rolex. Rolex is synonymous with status. The best known watch in the world.

If you are a nostalgic watch collector, the current unavailability of the Rolex is jarring. There is a dissonance there. It's no longer the high quality tool watch that's available. It's the "luxury" unobtainable watch reserved (sometimes literally) for the rich and well-to-do. The watch you have to be in the know to get.

For the more recent watch collector, it's the must have watch. Some will go to great lengths to get one. Some will overpay in the secondary market to get one. My opinion is that the enthusiastic buyer is the one that is driving secondary market prices up and demand very high.

I'm not blaming ADs for what they are doing. It's the market and that's how it works. I'm not blaming Rolex. They are not obligated in any way to give you the watch you want. They are making money hand-over-fist and there is no sign of this abating any time soon. They were making money when the demand was low and they are making tons of money now. So what are they doing wrong?

It just means that buyers that are neither nostalgic keepers of the past, or frenzied status buyers of the present, will go elsewhere to get their watch. This is how new markets are formed, new competitors grow, and new watch makers can make a difference.

I don't believe in revenge fantasies of ADs crawling on their knees for buyers, or Rolex regretting their production decisions. Both will do just fine. Nothing to see here.

Hopefully, what this means, is that the JLCs, IWCs, Omegas etc will grow and become bigger names and gain bigger market shares.

Yes, go celebrate with another watch. Something that is unique, of better quality, more sophistication, and better value. And most importantly, available without feeling denigrated. More power to you.