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Paracentesis · 5 March 2011, 06:19 AM

A friend is looking for a no-date Sub, and I suggested the 5513 as a "cooler" alternative to the 14060 (M). Can these be picked up in the UK for reasonable money (less than, say, £3k)? I was quite shocked to see them selling for £4 - 5k. Also, am I right in thinking the 5512 is usually much more expensive?

Pointers much appreciated.

James

Oops thread title typos

bertberr · 5 March 2011, 06:52 AM

You're really struggle to get completely original examples for less than £3K now, £3.5K is the new minimum really for a genuine example (matt dial, 500 to a grand less for a WG example).

You can get them for less than £3K, but chances are the dial will be a replacement (nothing wrong with that so long as you're comfortable with it and the price reflects this), and / or hands, bezel insert etc. Also, you may find the case lugs are a little thinner from over polishing.

One way to get a 'nicer' example for less dosh is to go for a head only, not a problem if you only ever intend wearing it on a NATO, but not a good idea if you plan to put it on a bracelet in the future, as the cost differential is rarely enough to cover the price of a good heavy oyster (getting dearer all the time it seems ...).

Obviously, pricing varies considerably between private ads on here and dealer pricing, for under £3K you really are looking at private only, and that introduces its own set of (potential) risks.

So, if the watch is going to be worn in water, even if its just swimming, I'd probably take another look at the 14060. Have some change to from your £3K to put towards the next purchase... and there will be a next purchase, believe me!

Paracentesis · 6 March 2011, 05:17 AM

Thanks for such an informative and carefully thought-out response. Lots of food for thought.

Could a Mod please edit my title?

HL65 · 6 March 2011, 05:25 AM

James-
There are so many varying factors in pricing these Subs--ie. matte or gilt, pcg or not, closed chapter rings etc. In general-the earlier 5512's are a lot more expensive. It of course depends on condition like anything else and the dial condition is so critical! As a matter of fact--Mike Wood also has a nice 5513 available last I checked. Cheers! Ken

Paracentesis · 6 March 2011, 10:18 PM

Ken, thanks again. "£P.O.A." sounds ominous and expensive!

HL65 · 6 March 2011, 10:26 PM

Beaumont Miller II · 6 March 2011, 11:58 PM

Eric Ku had a great looking 5513 last time I checked.

Jools · 18 March 2011, 08:06 PM

Just picked up a '75 5513 when back in the UK a few weeks ago. Untouched 5513's with all papers and boxes etc etc are making strong money. Depends if you are worried about future price/collecting, or just want a cool watch. Just make sure you don't send it back to Rolex for servicing as I hear in the Uk they will swap out the dial and hands as a matter of course, and you will not get the old ones back. Apparently it is to stop the demand for old watches! My 5513 is back with me in Vietnam and the original bracelet (folded oyster) is in the box safely in the UK, and the watch is sat nicely on a Nato strap. It is my friday watch, trusty ExII is my every day wearer.

5 March 2011, 06:19 AM	#1
Paracentesis Banned Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: James Location: UK Watch: Tissot Posts: 1,454	5513 (or 5512) A friend is looking for a no-date Sub, and I suggested the 5513 as a "cooler" alternative to the 14060 (M). Can these be picked up in the UK for reasonable money (less than, say, £3k)? I was quite shocked to see them selling for £4 - 5k. Also, am I right in thinking the 5512 is usually much more expensive? Pointers much appreciated. James Oops thread title typos Last edited by Tools; 6 March 2011 at 10:37 AM..

6 March 2011, 05:25 AM	#4
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,485	James- There are so many varying factors in pricing these Subs--ie. matte or gilt, pcg or not, closed chapter rings etc. In general-the earlier 5512's are a lot more expensive. It of course depends on condition like anything else and the dial condition is so critical! As a matter of fact--Mike Wood also has a nice 5513 available last I checked. Cheers! Ken __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

6 March 2011, 10:26 PM	#6
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,485	__________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

6 March 2011, 11:58 PM	#7
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	Eric Ku had a great looking 5513 last time I checked. __________________

5 March 2011, 06:52 AM	#2
bertberr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: UK Posts: 233	You're really struggle to get completely original examples for less than £3K now, £3.5K is the new minimum really for a genuine example (matt dial, 500 to a grand less for a WG example). You can get them for less than £3K, but chances are the dial will be a replacement (nothing wrong with that so long as you're comfortable with it and the price reflects this), and / or hands, bezel insert etc. Also, you may find the case lugs are a little thinner from over polishing. One way to get a 'nicer' example for less dosh is to go for a head only, not a problem if you only ever intend wearing it on a NATO, but not a good idea if you plan to put it on a bracelet in the future, as the cost differential is rarely enough to cover the price of a good heavy oyster (getting dearer all the time it seems ...). Obviously, pricing varies considerably between private ads on here and dealer pricing, for under £3K you really are looking at private only, and that introduces its own set of (potential) risks. So, if the watch is going to be worn in water, even if its just swimming, I'd probably take another look at the 14060. Have some change to from your £3K to put towards the next purchase... and there will be a next purchase, believe me!

6 March 2011, 05:17 AM	#3
Paracentesis Banned Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: James Location: UK Watch: Tissot Posts: 1,454	Thanks for such an informative and carefully thought-out response. Lots of food for thought. Could a Mod please edit my title?

6 March 2011, 10:18 PM	#5
Paracentesis Banned Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: James Location: UK Watch: Tissot Posts: 1,454	Ken, thanks again. "£P.O.A." sounds ominous and expensive!

18 March 2011, 08:06 PM	#8
Jools Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Global assignment Watch: '75 5513 Posts: 19	Just picked up a '75 5513 when back in the UK a few weeks ago. Untouched 5513's with all papers and boxes etc etc are making strong money. Depends if you are worried about future price/collecting, or just want a cool watch. Just make sure you don't send it back to Rolex for servicing as I hear in the Uk they will swap out the dial and hands as a matter of course, and you will not get the old ones back. Apparently it is to stop the demand for old watches! My 5513 is back with me in Vietnam and the original bracelet (folded oyster) is in the box safely in the UK, and the watch is sat nicely on a Nato strap. It is my friday watch, trusty ExII is my every day wearer.

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