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Old 19 May 2012, 03:33 AM   #91
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Agree! Trends come, trends go and none moreso than internet trends.
Trends certainly come and go, but tough to see something with 900 million users worldwide dying out anytime soon. Of course, tell that to the dinosaurs who probably thought they'd be around for forever.
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Old 19 May 2012, 03:40 AM   #92
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$41.47 as of 1:39pm.

I expected the price to be higher.
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Old 19 May 2012, 04:19 AM   #93
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Trends certainly come and go, but tough to see something with 900 million users worldwide dying out anytime soon. Of course, tell that to the dinosaurs who probably thought they'd be around for forever.

Good Point
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Old 19 May 2012, 04:23 AM   #94
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about 20 mil of the float left..... and i still don't know if i own shares.
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Old 19 May 2012, 04:26 AM   #95
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I do not plan to get in the the FB IPO; in fact, I plan to delete my FB account.
That is the way I feel too.
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Old 19 May 2012, 05:21 AM   #96
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$41.47 as of 1:39pm.

I expected the price to be higher.
$38.29 as of 3:19pm.
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Old 19 May 2012, 05:50 AM   #97
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$38.00 with less than 10 min to go. If it closes unchanged, this could be a record lackluster opening day
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Old 19 May 2012, 06:08 AM   #98
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$38.00 with less than 10 min to go. If it closes unchanged, this could be a record lackluster opening day
no doubt... very lackluster. incredible volume though.

...and i'm happy to report that i did not get filled and i am perfectly happy with that
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Old 19 May 2012, 06:13 AM   #99
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After hours trading went from 38.12 to 41.10 to 38.10 in 3 minutes?
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Old 19 May 2012, 06:26 AM   #100
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At one point the syndicate put up a bid for $1 billion @ 38 to support the deal. Huge volume.. and that bid got hit. A lot. Very fun/interesting to watch an IPO of this size & these market conditions not go quite as traditionally well as others. The managers will contend this just goes to show how well priced the transaction was in that no $ was left on the table for the company. However, it's obvious there is still a lot of selling pressure out there nearby... I doubt the syndicate & Morgan Stanley (the lead) will let this thing go below 38 anytime soon... but they are going to work to clean up as much of the loose inventory as they can.. will be interesting to see if they have the horsepower and/or will to do it..

I'm guessing several gallons of pepto have been consumed on that desk today...
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Old 19 May 2012, 06:37 AM   #101
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At one point the syndicate put up a bid for $1 billion @ 38 to support the deal. Huge volume.. and that bid got hit. A lot. Very fun/interesting to watch an IPO of this size & these market conditions not go quite as traditionally well as others. The managers will contend this just goes to show how well priced the transaction was in that no $ was left on the table for the company. However, it's obvious there is still a lot of selling pressure out there nearby... I doubt the syndicate & Morgan Stanley (the lead) will let this thing go below 38 anytime soon... but they are going to work to clean up as much of the loose inventory as they can.. will be interesting to see if they have the horsepower and/or will to do it..

I'm guessing several gallons of pepto have been consumed on that desk today...
boy, don't you know it. it was like resistance/support was 38 the last 30 minutes or so... dang mm's lol.
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Old 19 May 2012, 06:39 AM   #102
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I'm still befuddled how people expected this to shoot up dramatically. FB has done a remarkable job of maximizing their share value at every stage of funding, and this is just the culmination of that. Predictions that the stock would double could've put FB amongst the Top 10 most valuable companies in the world, and the revenues/earnings of companies in that realm are just night & day compared to FB's annual revenues.

FB will need to start crushing analysts' expectations for the stock to rise noticeably.
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Old 19 May 2012, 06:55 AM   #103
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i like to know what was up.... i was in limbo not knowing if i owned shares or not.
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Old 19 May 2012, 08:59 AM   #104
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I still don't know anyone who has spent much money while using FB.
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Old 22 May 2012, 05:12 AM   #105
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Too bad one can't sell FB short as it is a new issue and there is no stock to borrow and naked short sale of new offering restricted.

Ps--It isn't marginable yet.
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Old 23 May 2012, 12:27 AM   #106
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Sounds like there were some serious SEC violations related to the FB IPO. Reuters' Alistair Barr is reporting that Facebook's lead underwriters, Morgan Stanley (MS), JP Morgan (JPM), and Goldman Sachs (GS) all cut their earnings forecasts for the company in the middle of the IPO roadshow.

This by itself is highly unusual (I've never seen it during 20 years in and around the tech IPO business). But, just as important, news of the estimate cut was passed on only to a handful of big investor clients, not everyone else who was considering an investment in Facebook.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...y-cut-facebook revenue-estimates-middle-133648905.html
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Old 23 May 2012, 12:49 AM   #107
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Anybody else think FB may be on a serious decline on the cultural horizon, notwithstanding the market value ?
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Old 23 May 2012, 12:54 AM   #108
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Sounds like there were some serious SEC violations related to the FB IPO. Reuters' Alistair Barr is reporting that Facebook's lead underwriters, Morgan Stanley (MS), JP Morgan (JPM), and Goldman Sachs (GS) all cut their earnings forecasts for the company in the middle of the IPO roadshow.

This by itself is highly unusual (I've never seen it during 20 years in and around the tech IPO business). But, just as important, news of the estimate cut was passed on only to a handful of big investor clients, not everyone else who was considering an investment in Facebook.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...y-cut-facebook revenue-estimates-middle-133648905.html





if true, this is crazy.

i just can't imagine it IS true, though....i mean, surely FB had the best advisors in the business working for them, and no way MS, JPM and GS would do this, right?
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Old 23 May 2012, 01:04 AM   #109
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Here is story on Reuters:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...84L06720120522
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Old 23 May 2012, 01:50 AM   #110
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My 18 year old son told me not to buy because he thinks it's a joke.
So, I did not.
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Old 23 May 2012, 02:07 AM   #111
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if true, this is crazy.

i just can't imagine it IS true, though....i mean, surely FB had the best advisors in the business working for them, and no way MS, JPM and GS would do this, right?
Of course they would, I've spent 24 years working with these firms, it's money 1st and the rest of the world 2nd. Greed is bad, very bad for the average joe...

They are reporting now that analysts at the three underwriters were cutting EPS estimates while the firms on were out on the roadshow and not one presentation mentioned that. Big lawsuits coming.....
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Old 23 May 2012, 04:18 AM   #112
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My 18 year old son told me not to buy because he thinks it's a joke.
So, I did not.
I`m going to go out on a limb and say,YOUR SON IS RIGHT,,Facebook is a joke,a bad one.
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Old 23 May 2012, 04:26 AM   #113
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I`m going to go out on a limb and say,YOUR SON IS RIGHT,,Facebook is a joke,a bad one.

How can a firm with a 2011 reported revenue of $3,7 million have a market capitalization of $100 billion,are you kidding me?
I agree the market cap is sky high, but that's 3.7 billion in 2011 revenues.
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Old 23 May 2012, 04:34 AM   #114
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I agree the market cap is sky high, but that's 3.7 billion in 2011 revenues.
I made a mistake in the revenue number but now it appears that even 3.7 billion may have been an imaginary number from FB,there`s all kinds of conflicting information flying around at the moment.
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Exactly my point....this could get ugly.
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Old 23 May 2012, 07:03 AM   #116
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I made a mistake in the revenue number but now it appears that even 3.7 billion may have been an imaginary number from FB,there`s all kinds of conflicting information flying around at the moment.
Yes some interesting developments on this in the news for sure . . .
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Old 23 May 2012, 03:19 PM   #117
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I made a mistake in the revenue number but now it appears that even 3.7 billion may have been an imaginary number from FB,there`s all kinds of conflicting information flying around at the moment.
That's a serious allegation. The US government does not look kindly upon "imaginary" revenue numbers. Links to this, please?
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And for more info on where the underwriters appear to have gotten their insider information:

http://www.businessinsider.com/exclu...ook-ipo-2012-5
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Old 23 May 2012, 03:54 PM   #119
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Anybody else think FB may be on a serious decline on the cultural horizon, notwithstanding the market value ?
Completely. I definitely think that it's peaked.

Shady company that is simply a fad, Mark Zuckerberg is shady, this whole IPO thing is shady.
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Old 23 May 2012, 05:47 PM   #120
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One also must not forget that Zuckerberg was a hacker.

He may lack business sense but somebody was whispering sweet nothings in his ear.

Everyone wants some of that FB money. Heck, I want it too.

To make it all up to us, the shares of the company should have been shared amongst FB members.
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