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JeffTVR · 22 July 2012, 11:46 AM

And would be very grateful for views on whether or not any part of it has been refurbished or replaced or if it looks to be a "Frankenstein". I only have two pictures at the moment:

Thanks in advance for any help. A newbie would be very grateful. Cheers!

mikkolopez · 22 July 2012, 01:54 PM

Looks nice.

harry in montreal · 22 July 2012, 03:12 PM

The insert doesnt look right to me. Maybe a cut down contemporary insert? The crown is also incorrect. The hands also appear to be newer

high5 · 22 July 2012, 03:19 PM

hands patina doesn't match dial, "100m = 30 ft" is white color, has the dial been serviced? should the bezel triangle be red? It is hard to tell from the 2 pictures only. need better pictures to tell the dial condition. there is always risk to buy/wear something that old.

K.W · 22 July 2012, 03:58 PM

Crown has been replaced, the original 6mm crown was a brevet style. The dial could be original, white depth rating with all other gilt on a gloss dial seems right to me. Don't know about the insert. Pics of the case and inside the caseback would tell us more. The curve of the lugs and lug holes look good- something that some of the fugazi cases don't get right. It would be a good idea to familiarize yourself with some of the high end fakes just to make sure what you have here is legitimate. The high-end overseas fake casemakers are good, but some things they just can't get right.

JeffTVR · 22 July 2012, 10:45 PM

Many thanks for all the comments. I will try and get more photos and post them. Cheers!

HRPinDC · 24 July 2012, 04:34 PM

I don't think the hands are original, the bezel insert looks to be a later model trimmed down to fit. Triangle at top could be red or not, Rolex made both. How much are they asking?

jedly1 · 24 July 2012, 04:49 PM

and to be clear it isn't a bond sub ...a bond sub is a big crown..not a small crown.

Mark020 · 24 July 2012, 09:42 PM

Well: Jacek knows what he is selling so I wouldn't have too much stress on this one.

adam78 · 24 July 2012, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark020

Well: Jacek knows what he is selling so I wouldn't have too much stress on this one.

I don't think this is Jacek's. His pics always have a gray background.

Kingair · 24 July 2012, 11:21 PM

If you want a watch like this PM Philippe or Jacek !
These are $$$$ watches so they need to be 100 % correct
My .02

Pretty sure Philippe has several . . . ;-)
And if not he knows where to find one
It's only a 1 a 2 hour flight from the UK to Holland . . ;-)

Contact both and see what they have available . .

HAGOne

JeffTVR · 24 July 2012, 11:26 PM

Thanks again for all the comments. This is the only further photo I have obtained.

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1343136403.533152.jpg

They want £7,500 for it.

I am new to the forum, so who is Philippe and how do I contact him?

Thanks all!

pdoukas · 24 July 2012, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adam78

I don't think this is Jacek's. His pics always have a gray background.

X2 if it were Jacek's he'd have it up on the website as well and he doesn't.

Michael M. · 25 July 2012, 12:25 AM

That's not Jaceks!! Dial and bezel look inaccurate and are probably replacements

Mark020 · 25 July 2012, 07:52 AM

Sorry. It is indeed not Jacek's! Jacek has this one on the bay.

K.W · 25 July 2012, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedly1

and to be clear it isn't a bond sub ...a bond sub is a big crown..not a small crown.

details..details..

springer · 25 July 2012, 12:45 PM

My opinion is to pass on the watch. Why would you spend that much on a watch without examining it in person - from a seller you don't even know? Find a solid seller and take some time to physically examine the watch and be fully knowledgeable of the characteristics of the watch before you view it. That way, you won't have any surprises later like a few members here, and VRF, have suffered in the past. Most high-end, rare, vintage Rolex models do not pass the auction block on ebay and the sellers there are looking to fish in a buyer that is not fully knowledgeable in the particuliar model they are selling.

Of course this is just my opinion, but it has worked for me on high-end purchases in the past.

cruvon · 25 July 2012, 02:49 PM

Just saw Jed has a 6538 Bond on his site, don't know much about these references besides that they are high up on serious collectors lists, what's the fundamental diference between a 6536 and a 6538? Is it that a 6536 is a small crown and a 6538 a big crown? What about rarity?

http://www.thetimetraveler.co/watche...wn-james-bond/

jedly1 · 25 July 2012, 03:25 PM

as usual desireability combined with rarity..lot,.lot less BC around and the bond connection always draws a crowd :)

the example i have is a real original watch that wears its age on its sleeve but not prisitine , but then its nearly half the price of a minter........in fact with the early combinations on this one probably a lot less than half the price of a minter if such a thing exists ..the earlier watches have the higher radium content and as a rule that tends to dull the laqceur coat a lot quicker which makes them appear a lot flatter...but then the sum of its parts probably outweighs asking...

i just need to organize a proper photo shoot as those ones are lousy !

all gilt long hands, no hash skinny bezel, early style 2 line all gold gilt dial ...

sorry if it sounded pedantic, but a small crown is not a bond sub ...and is the kind of mistake that is also made when people see a standard cosmograph and call it a newman

high5 · 25 July 2012, 03:50 PM

It is not particularly cheap for a small crown. why risk it for something you are not sure and just so-so condition? keep looking man.

cruvon · 25 July 2012, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedly1

as usual desireability combined with rarity..lot,.lot less BC around and the bond connection always draws a crowd :)

the example i have is a real original watch that wears its age on its sleeve but not prisitine , but then its nearly half the price of a minter........in fact with the early combinations on this one probably a lot less than half the price of a minter if such a thing exists ..the earlier watches have the higher radium content and as a rule that tends to dull the laqceur coat a lot quicker which makes them appear a lot flatter...but then the sum of its parts probably outweighs asking...

i just need to organize a proper photo shoot as those ones are lousy !

all gilt long hands, no hash skinny bezel, early style 2 line all gold gilt dial ...

sorry if it sounded pedantic, but a small crown is not a bond sub ...and is the kind of mistake that is also made when people see a standard cosmograph and call it a newman

Thanks for the explanation Jed!

Felix.H · 25 July 2012, 04:54 PM

Eric Ku has a superb 6536 for sale,....

cruvon · 25 July 2012, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix.H

Eric Ku has a superb 6536 for sale,....

Makes it even more confusing because that one is a 6536 with a 6538 case:), guess collecting these requires quite a bit of learning on all those variations!

http://10pastten.com/inventory/detai...?item_id=TA606

Michael M. · 25 July 2012, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix.H

Eric Ku has a superb 6536 for sale,....

X2..a truly unique and exceptional example

TattooedGQ · 25 July 2012, 11:35 PM

Side note...I just checked out Jacek's ebay store....he has some heavy hitters up there....I had to favorite him just to see what he's selling.

22 July 2012, 11:46 AM	#1
JeffTVR "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Posts: 30	I am thinking of buying this "Bond" 6536 Submariner... And would be very grateful for views on whether or not any part of it has been refurbished or replaced or if it looks to be a "Frankenstein". I only have two pictures at the moment: Thanks in advance for any help. A newbie would be very grateful. Cheers! Last edited by JeffTVR; 22 July 2012 at 11:52 AM.. Reason: Spelling

25 July 2012, 12:45 PM	#17
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,235	My opinion is to pass on the watch. Why would you spend that much on a watch without examining it in person - from a seller you don't even know? Find a solid seller and take some time to physically examine the watch and be fully knowledgeable of the characteristics of the watch before you view it. That way, you won't have any surprises later like a few members here, and VRF, have suffered in the past. Most high-end, rare, vintage Rolex models do not pass the auction block on ebay and the sellers there are looking to fish in a buyer that is not fully knowledgeable in the particuliar model they are selling. Of course this is just my opinion, but it has worked for me on high-end purchases in the past. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

25 July 2012, 02:49 PM	#18
cruvon "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4,688	Just saw Jed has a 6538 Bond on his site, don't know much about these references besides that they are high up on serious collectors lists, what's the fundamental diference between a 6536 and a 6538? Is it that a 6536 is a small crown and a 6538 a big crown? What about rarity? http://www.thetimetraveler.co/watche...wn-james-bond/ __________________ Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before. ’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive. You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!

25 July 2012, 11:35 PM	#25
TattooedGQ "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Justin Location: NY, USA Watch: yo self! Posts: 2,686	Side note...I just checked out Jacek's ebay store....he has some heavy hitters up there....I had to favorite him just to see what he's selling. __________________ That boy's got the Devil in him. Rolex: I think I'm up to 9?? Omega: Got a few of those too. Breitling: And some of these.

22 July 2012, 01:54 PM	#2
mikkolopez "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Philippines Posts: 2,301	Looks nice.

22 July 2012, 03:12 PM	#3
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	The insert doesnt look right to me. Maybe a cut down contemporary insert? The crown is also incorrect. The hands also appear to be newer

22 July 2012, 03:19 PM	#4
high5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: hong kong Posts: 300	hands patina doesn't match dial, "100m = 30 ft" is white color, has the dial been serviced? should the bezel triangle be red? It is hard to tell from the 2 pictures only. need better pictures to tell the dial condition. there is always risk to buy/wear something that old.

22 July 2012, 03:58 PM	#5
K.W "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: United States, TX Watch: '68 GMT Master Posts: 101	Crown has been replaced, the original 6mm crown was a brevet style. The dial could be original, white depth rating with all other gilt on a gloss dial seems right to me. Don't know about the insert. Pics of the case and inside the caseback would tell us more. The curve of the lugs and lug holes look good- something that some of the fugazi cases don't get right. It would be a good idea to familiarize yourself with some of the high end fakes just to make sure what you have here is legitimate. The high-end overseas fake casemakers are good, but some things they just can't get right.

22 July 2012, 10:45 PM	#6
JeffTVR "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Posts: 30	Many thanks for all the comments. I will try and get more photos and post them. Cheers!

24 July 2012, 04:34 PM	#7
HRPinDC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 152	I don't think the hands are original, the bezel insert looks to be a later model trimmed down to fit. Triangle at top could be red or not, Rolex made both. How much are they asking?

24 July 2012, 04:49 PM	#8
jedly1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: mel(oz)/Yorks(uk) Posts: 1,917	and to be clear it isn't a bond sub ...a bond sub is a big crown..not a small crown.

24 July 2012, 09:42 PM	#9
Mark020 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 2,094	Well: Jacek knows what he is selling so I wouldn't have too much stress on this one.

24 July 2012, 11:21 PM	#11
Kingair "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Marc Location: SoCal Watch: Not enough ;-) Posts: 21,232	If you want a watch like this PM Philippe or Jacek ! These are $$$$ watches so they need to be 100 % correct My .02 Pretty sure Philippe has several . . . ;-) And if not he knows where to find one It's only a 1 a 2 hour flight from the UK to Holland . . ;-) Contact both and see what they have available . . HAGOne

24 July 2012, 11:26 PM	#12
JeffTVR "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Posts: 30	Thanks again for all the comments. This is the only further photo I have obtained. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1343136403.533152.jpg They want £7,500 for it. I am new to the forum, so who is Philippe and how do I contact him? Thanks all!

25 July 2012, 12:25 AM	#14
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	That's not Jaceks!! Dial and bezel look inaccurate and are probably replacements

25 July 2012, 07:52 AM	#15
Mark020 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 2,094	Sorry. It is indeed not Jacek's! Jacek has this one on the bay.

25 July 2012, 03:25 PM	#19
jedly1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: mel(oz)/Yorks(uk) Posts: 1,917	as usual desireability combined with rarity..lot,.lot less BC around and the bond connection always draws a crowd :) the example i have is a real original watch that wears its age on its sleeve but not prisitine , but then its nearly half the price of a minter........in fact with the early combinations on this one probably a lot less than half the price of a minter if such a thing exists ..the earlier watches have the higher radium content and as a rule that tends to dull the laqceur coat a lot quicker which makes them appear a lot flatter...but then the sum of its parts probably outweighs asking... i just need to organize a proper photo shoot as those ones are lousy ! all gilt long hands, no hash skinny bezel, early style 2 line all gold gilt dial ... sorry if it sounded pedantic, but a small crown is not a bond sub ...and is the kind of mistake that is also made when people see a standard cosmograph and call it a newman

25 July 2012, 03:50 PM	#20
high5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: hong kong Posts: 300	It is not particularly cheap for a small crown. why risk it for something you are not sure and just so-so condition? keep looking man.

25 July 2012, 04:54 PM	#22
Felix.H Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Felix Location: Indonesia Watch: Rolexes, APs, Pams Posts: 204	Eric Ku has a superb 6536 for sale,....

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