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Daytona-Dan · 5 July 2013, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Well apart from the dial colour and it has numbers on the bezel like most GMT watches, that's the only similarity that I can see to the new Rolex Explorer 11.And apart from the slightly similar dial colour I cannot see any resemblance to a Milgauss .

It must just be me and John then

I'm not saying they are direct copies, just that I can also see a similarity. The GS GMT has the oyster type bracelet, the same brushed style bezel with the 1-24 markers, similar case structure, besides the hand colour and shape it would be hard to tell the difference at +5m. There are hundreds of GMT designs out there, just look at their 3 Days GMT, it looks completely different, but in this case they are very similar?

Same with the Gauss, all the "GS" writing on the other models is grey and suddenly the anti-magnetic version has luminous orange writing? Even the bezel and case structure is the same again. Ok, the case is bevelled a little, but it's still the same with fat lugs (or did GS come out with fat lugs first?).

It's just a little too similar to be coincidence in my book..
I don't buy it, but I guess it could happen...

PS: This is a friendly debate, I'm not trying to pick fights with people, I'm just trying to argue and talk the various points!
It's what forums are for right?

adt · 5 July 2013, 03:46 AM

I think GS and Rolex look completely different and distinct. GS doesnt use lume for example, only for a few models like the diver and GMT.

Rolex has unique hands across their model range (mercedes, lume dot on seconds hand) and so does GS (mirror finished and pointed) Compare them and it is like night and day.

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MrLee · 5 July 2013, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Daytona-Dan

It must just be me and John then

I'm not saying they are direct copies, just that I can also see a similarity. The GS GMT has the oyster type bracelet, the same brushed style bezel with the 1-24 markers, similar case structure, besides the hand colour and shape it would be hard to tell the difference at +5m. There are hundreds of GMT designs out there, just look at their 3 Days GMT, it looks completely different, but in this case they are very similar?

Same with the Gauss, all the "GS" writing on the other models is grey and suddenly the anti-magnetic version has luminous orange writing? Even the bezel and case structure is the same again. Ok, the case is bevelled a little, but it's still the same with fat lugs (or did GS come out with fat lugs first?).

It's just a little too similar to be coincidence in my book..
I don't buy it, but I guess it could happen...

PS: This is a friendly debate, I'm not trying to pick fights with people, I'm just trying to argue and talk the various points!
It's what forums are for right?

No I'm with you, hence the fact I've used the word 'homage' regarding their designs in previous posts, the oyster bracelet design has clearly been borrowed as well. There is also one that looks just like an explorer, with the addition of a date window, the explorer 2 clone is blatant to me

Jack T · 5 July 2013, 05:27 AM

Explorer, heartbeat. But then, I'm not an aficionado of fine watches, I just like Rolexes.

NAVY · 5 July 2013, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MrLee

No I'm with you, hence the fact I've used the word 'homage' regarding their designs in previous posts, the oyster bracelet design has clearly been borrowed as well. There is also one that looks just like an explorer, with the addition of a date window, the explorer 2 clone is blatant to me

Homages ??? Give me a break ...

Maxy · 21 July 2013, 06:05 AM

I have a simple resolution for this debate.. if all the Grand Seiko's had the name listed as below, everyone would accept its just not another Seiko on the market.

No mention of Seiko and then GS at the bottom.. just directly Grand Seiko

Billywiz · 21 July 2013, 06:15 AM

Oh crikey ...its back :)

Pete26 · 31 July 2013, 07:46 AM

I recently faced the same conundrum, between an Explorer priced at $7,490AUD from my local AD or a GS SBGR051 from Seiya Japan for $3,358. I chose the Seiko, a better watch than the Rolex IMHO

Pete

Marine1981 · 31 July 2013, 08:18 AM

I dunno, I've handled grand seikos in a Pittsburgh AD and while they are very nice, I wouldn't spend 6-8k on one. I understand their movements like the one I looked at (36,000bph) are truly high end pieces. It's just difficult to justify that sort I money for one. I guess I have a bit of a snobish mentality about the whole thing but a rolex or JLC or Patek have the names which justify the price tags and have long term resale values.

porschedude · 31 July 2013, 08:24 AM

ill give it to them, grand seiko is a BA watch but i would rather have a explorer1 just because i like the simplicity of the piece. that being said they are very much on the same level.

charles22 · 31 July 2013, 08:30 AM

I don't like either the GS or the Explorer!

But it was an interesting read about people's personalities

submariner66 · 31 July 2013, 11:04 AM

[QUOTE=powerfunk;4218730]Actually someone once asked me "Is that a Rolex" while I was wearing a GS. One of about five times in my life someone has commented on my watch out of the blue.

If it gives the Grand Seiko nonfans any consolation, they were decidedly less impressed once I said "Grand Seiko."

Thats kind of the problem I would have with owning a Grand Seiko, but also the thing that I like most about them to- I suppose is that they are very much like Rolexes in their design.

Having worn the "cheap" Seiko watches since I was in the 5th grade up until recently- i liked them because they looked like my dads Rolex from 1957. But I think the Seiko's I wore were mechanical, you had to shake them, they had no batteries?

Out of all the Watches featured in the annual wrist watch catalogue there were very few that sung to me besides Rolex, and they were, the classically designed ones like the Omega, VC, JLC, I think the PAM are designed well too, but a little too retro for me.

I really like the GS diver photo shown at the beginning of this thread, that I think I would own, probably i like divers better. The other GS look like DJ's without the cyclops. Nice, but would probably choose the EXP 1 over them too.

ninotcs · 31 July 2013, 01:04 PM

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ninotcs · 31 July 2013, 01:07 PM

seiko should follow Japanese car manufacturer's branding strategy and product extensions.

You dont name a Toyota Camry , Grand Camry. Instead, you name it Lexus e350. And bam, just like that you are in the game.

Billywiz · 31 July 2013, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninotcs

seiko should follow Japanese car manufacturer's branding strategy and product extensions.

You dont name a Toyota Camry , Grand Camry. Instead, you name it Lexus e350. And bam, just like that you are in the game.

I still wouldnt buy a watch called Grand Lexus ?

ecsub44 · 31 July 2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Billywiz

I still wouldnt buy a watch called Grand Lexus ?

Huh?

Billywiz · 31 July 2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ecsub44

Huh?

Omg...seriously...I was just kidding!

5 July 2013, 03:46 AM	#362
adt "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: A Location: SEA Posts: 473	I think GS and Rolex look completely different and distinct. GS doesnt use lume for example, only for a few models like the diver and GMT. Rolex has unique hands across their model range (mercedes, lume dot on seconds hand) and so does GS (mirror finished and pointed) Compare them and it is like night and day. Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 2 __________________ "Collecting is the only socially commendable form of greed" ~ Gene Shwartz

5 July 2013, 05:27 AM	#364
Jack T "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Jack Location: The Triangle Watch: Several Posts: 6,646	Explorer, heartbeat. But then, I'm not an aficionado of fine watches, I just like Rolexes. __________________ Sub 116613 LN; GMT 116710 LN; Sinn 104R; Exp 214270; GS SBGM221; Omega AT

31 July 2013, 07:46 AM	#368
Pete26 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Australia Posts: 603	GS for me I recently faced the same conundrum, between an Explorer priced at $7,490AUD from my local AD or a GS SBGR051 from Seiya Japan for $3,358. I chose the Seiko, a better watch than the Rolex IMHO Pete

21 July 2013, 06:05 AM	#366
Maxy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: TX Watch: Daytona Posts: 3,225	I have a simple resolution for this debate.. if all the Grand Seiko's had the name listed as below, everyone would accept its just not another Seiko on the market. No mention of Seiko and then GS at the bottom.. just directly Grand Seiko

21 July 2013, 06:15 AM	#367
Billywiz Banned Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: John Location: Florida Watch: YG President Posts: 2,090	Oh crikey ...its back :)

31 July 2013, 08:18 AM	#369
Marine1981 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Doylestown, pa Posts: 121	I dunno, I've handled grand seikos in a Pittsburgh AD and while they are very nice, I wouldn't spend 6-8k on one. I understand their movements like the one I looked at (36,000bph) are truly high end pieces. It's just difficult to justify that sort I money for one. I guess I have a bit of a snobish mentality about the whole thing but a rolex or JLC or Patek have the names which justify the price tags and have long term resale values.

31 July 2013, 08:24 AM	#370
porschedude "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: USA Watch: 116610LV Posts: 1,207	ill give it to them, grand seiko is a BA watch but i would rather have a explorer1 just because i like the simplicity of the piece. that being said they are very much on the same level.

31 July 2013, 08:30 AM	#371
charles22 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: UK Posts: 88	I don't like either the GS or the Explorer! But it was an interesting read about people's personalities

31 July 2013, 11:04 AM	#372
submariner66 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: John Location: New York Watch: 114060 Posts: 1,138	[QUOTE=powerfunk;4218730]Actually someone once asked me "Is that a Rolex" while I was wearing a GS. One of about five times in my life someone has commented on my watch out of the blue. If it gives the Grand Seiko nonfans any consolation, they were decidedly less impressed once I said "Grand Seiko." Thats kind of the problem I would have with owning a Grand Seiko, but also the thing that I like most about them to- I suppose is that they are very much like Rolexes in their design. Having worn the "cheap" Seiko watches since I was in the 5th grade up until recently- i liked them because they looked like my dads Rolex from 1957. But I think the Seiko's I wore were mechanical, you had to shake them, they had no batteries? Out of all the Watches featured in the annual wrist watch catalogue there were very few that sung to me besides Rolex, and they were, the classically designed ones like the Omega, VC, JLC, I think the PAM are designed well too, but a little too retro for me. I really like the GS diver photo shown at the beginning of this thread, that I think I would own, probably i like divers better. The other GS look like DJ's without the cyclops. Nice, but would probably choose the EXP 1 over them too.

31 July 2013, 01:04 PM	#373
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31 July 2013, 01:07 PM	#374
ninotcs Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: PIttsburgh Watch: Rolex 14060M Posts: 453	seiko should follow Japanese car manufacturer's branding strategy and product extensions. You dont name a Toyota Camry , Grand Camry. Instead, you name it Lexus e350. And bam, just like that you are in the game.

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