Opinions on a 5513 Bart Simpson

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

Definitely post ALL the info you have on the person. This way when people search to see if the person is legit using their bank info and e-mail information, etc., this thread will pop up and they will know to watch out. At best you will help another buyer out, and at worst the scammer will have to make a new account and cover.

A lot of scammers masquerade as trusted sellers using email addresses with one off names, or different server addresses.

Example, people using the same first name but different server: johnsmith@aol.com instead of johnsmith@gmail.com.

Example 2, people use slightly different first names: johnsmith1@aol.com or j0hnsmith@aol.com instead of johnsmith@gmail.com.

Thus, you may think it is a trusted seller, and you may contact people and get amazing feedback, but you aren't really dealing with the trusted seller, but instead a scammer using a trusted seller's feedback.

1) Always ask the person to send a picture of the watch set to two different times of your choosing.

2) If it is a trusted seller, go to the person's website and contact the person there, or check the e-mail address on multiple forum feedbacks and contact him/her through the main e-mail address he/she uses to confirm (or to warn the real seller about what is happening).

Number one eliminates scammers who don't have the watch immediately. Number two allows you to confirm it is the trusted seller if you aren't sure of the watches provenance. Still, better to get a consensus from a few experts about an expensive piece. Sometimes experts can be wrong based on pictures, or, sadly, more interested in you buying a piece from him/her, or his/her circle, than from another seller.

Great post Q

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by nsumner

Great post Q

Thanks!

I can't tell you the number of times I've asked for number one and never heard back from a "seller." LOL!

[jollerbarn]

OK, here are the seller's details.

Email:
telewristi261@gmail.com

Name and address:
Kevin Ventura
2025 Liliha St Honolulu, HI 96817

Bank information:
Account Name: Judith Ventura
Address: 3545 Kalihi street Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 USA
Bank Name: Bank of Hawaii
Bank address: Times Market (Kamehameha Shopping Ctr)
Honolulu, Hawaii 96817 USA
Acct. 6004519601
Routing: 121301028
Swift Code B0HIUS77

Seller provided this link for a reference check:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...+on+telewristy

I emailed one of the people on the list who wrote me back twice endorsing the seller.

... I feel like such an idiot. I'm happy that QC stepped in and pulled me back from the abyss! :-)

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by jollerbarn

OK, here are the seller's details.

Email:
telewristi261@gmail.com

Name and address:
Kevin Ventura
2025 Liliha St Honolulu, HI 96817

Bank information:
Account Name: Judith Ventura
Address: 3545 Kalihi street Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 USA
Bank Name: Bank of Hawaii
Bank address: Times Market (Kamehameha Shopping Ctr)
Honolulu, Hawaii 96817 USA
Acct. 6004519601
Routing: 121301028
Swift Code B0HIUS77

Seller provided this link for a reference check:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...+on+telewristy

I emailed one of the people on the list who wrote me back twice endorsing the seller.

... I feel like such an idiot. I'm happy that QC stepped in and pulled me back from the abyss! :-)

No need to feel like an idiot! Scammers can be very savvy and most importantly you did your due diligence.

Yes, we are very lucky that Q stepped up but I believe the truth would have come out anyway. The "seller" happened to give you some very recognizable pics from HQ Milton.


Just out of curiosity, what was the price? Was it a "too good to be true price"? Or in line with current pricing trends?

[jollerbarn]

Originally Posted by nsumner

No need to feel like an idiot! Scammers can be very savvy and most importantly you did your due diligence.

Yes, we are very lucky that Q stepped up but I believe the truth would have come out anyway. The "seller" happened to give you some very recognizable pics from HQ Milton.


Just out of curiosity, what was the price? Was it a "too good to be true price"? Or in line with current pricing trends?

Well, to be honest the price was too good to be true. Seller was asking for USD 8100 shipped. I've seen a similar watch go for ~ EUR 13.500 here in the EU.

[Robbyvm]

Bernhard has a beauty for sale...

http://bulangandsons.com/portfolio_p...on-submariner/

[Robbyvm]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

If it is any consolation, it is a wonderful piece. You would have loved it!

Damn and i offered to be pm'd if he didn't take it...

[jollerbarn]

Originally Posted by Robbyvm

Bernhard has a beauty for sale...

http://bulangandsons.com/portfolio_p...on-submariner/

I've looked at it - and it is nice.. I'd be bothered about the missing lumi on the hour hand though.

[Robbyvm]

Indeed... Small defect but once you know... Woow this scentence suddenly reminds me of my ex wife !

[jollerbarn]

Originally Posted by Robbyvm

Indeed... Small defect but once you know... Woow this scentence suddenly reminds me of my ex wife !

:-)

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by jollerbarn

I've looked at it - and it is nice.. I'd be bothered about the missing lumi on the hour hand though.

The hands can be fixed. The original Bart you posted had the hands fixed and they look great.

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by jollerbarn

Well, to be honest the price was too good to be true. Seller was asking for USD 8100 shipped. I've seen a similar watch go for ~ EUR 13.500 here in the EU.

Yes, $8000 is way, way, way too good to be true. That should have been the first alert to an issue.

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by jollerbarn

Well, to be honest the price was too good to be true. Seller was asking for USD 8100 shipped. I've seen a similar watch go for ~ EUR 13.500 here in the EU.

Where did the seller have his ad?

[jollerbarn]

There was no ad that I know of. Seller emailed me, I'm guessing he'd seen one of my other posts here on trf. I made a WTB a while back looking for a gilt 5513. I had completely forgotten about it till he wrote.


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[Vincent65]

Jeez.. he trawled the net and targeted you from an old wtb. Not even a for sale ad. The blatant, arrogant nerve. And using such obviously recognisable photos from a well-known seller. Add stupid to that.

[jollerbarn]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Jeez.. he trawled the net and targeted you from an old wtb. Not even a for sale ad. The blatant, arrogant nerve. And using such obviously recognisable photos from a well-known seller. Add stupid to that.

Seems like a coordinated effort. Thank god I had the combined brainpower of TRF at my disposal. Nothing like the Vintage Rolex Hivemind(tm) to flush out these scammers :-)

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Jeez.. he trawled the net and targeted you from an old wtb. Not even a for sale ad. The blatant, arrogant nerve. And using such obviously recognisable photos from a well-known seller. Add stupid to that.

Makes my skin crawl to think somebody is trolling the net looking at wtb ads just to scam somebody. Then dumb enough to use Hq Milton pictures. I always wondered why people would add there name tag to pictures...for this exact reason. Glad it worked out for you Jesper.

[Karbo]

Originally Posted by Robbyvm

Bernhard has a beauty for sale...

http://bulangandsons.com/portfolio_p...on-submariner/

16400€ fyi

[jollerbarn]

Yeah, it's on hold though and not exactly the one I'm after :-)


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[Vincent65]

16,400 E's!? Jeez!

[Karbo]

Yup ! There s smthing crazy with thoz Bart... Very expensive. And very rare too, everyday. I look and cant find one for sale...

[iamSamiam]

Hey so is someone going to hunt this guy down? What's up with that? Wow..the power of TRF! BOOM

[Xantiagib]

I dont get how in an age of HD video conferencing and snapchat, facetime and whatsapp and skype and all that that you don't verify on a live video conference something you're going to spend a huge wad of cash on....

buy the seller - always ask for photos with a newspaper with today's date on - a refusal or stalling to do a quick skype would be a good indication of a duff seller

also hope we have all ordered pizza to his address and signed up the bank details for re-ocurring charitable donations all over Hawaii