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cocopeep · 30 July 2008, 04:36 AM

Hi everyone, I did a current thread on "thinking of a GMT 2 ceramic and today came across a sub no date, non-certified chronometer in ross-simons in paramus nj mall. I really like the look of the GMT 2c and its new bracelet with that watch. However the sub no date looked beautiful on my wrist, he sized it and it fit well. Retails for $5300, he said he would sell it for 5035 and ship it to me to avoid tax. Would you trust Ross simons to ship it via ups? It would cost $50 to do this. Is this a good deal, I like it because it does not have a 24 hour hand which I wont use and the dial is very simple. Thanks

BigHat · 30 July 2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cocopeep

Hi everyone, I did a current thread on "thinking of a GMT 2 ceramic and today came across a sub no date, non-certified chronometer in ross-simons in paramus nj mall. Beautiful on my wrist, he sized it and it fit well. Retails for $5300, he said he would sell it for 5035 and ship it to me to avoid tax. Is this a good deal, I like it because it does not have a 24 hour hand which I wont use and the dial is very simple. Thanks

I'm always amazed to see what people down select too. Like the "What should I buy - a VC tourbillion or a Sea Dweller? I plan to both dig ditches and attend the ballet.

How is it possible that you were considering a GMT-IIC when you don't like/need the 24-hour hand nor the bezel? You try on an SS Sub and it sings to you. Well then that's what you should buy.

As to the price? Buy them all day from AF for $4,700 and I think all the new ones are COSC. Of course, it's the same movement. It does raise a question I can't answer though. Does Rolex regulate a non-COSC watch if it's 10 seconds fast (ie out of COSC spec) for free?

You have a lot of other watches? A SS, non-cert'd, no date sub is about the most basic, no frills Rolex you can get. Wouldn't appeal to me, but to each his own. If I went Sub, I'd get a date and COSC at a minimum. Maybe go used if $$ are an issue.

cocopeep · 30 July 2008, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHat

I'm always amazed to see what people down select too. Like the "What should I buy - a VC tourbillion or a Sea Dweller? I plan to both dig ditches and attend the ballet.

How is it possible that you were considering a GMT-IIC when you don't like/need the 24-hour hand nor the bezel? You try on an SS Sub and it sings to you. Well then that's what you should buy.

As to the price? Buy them all day from AF for $4,700 and I think all the new ones are COSC. Of course, it's the same movement. It does raise a question I can't answer though. Does Rolex regulate a non-COSC watch if it's 10 seconds fast (ie out of COSC spec) for free?

You have a lot of other watches? A SS, non-cert'd, no date sub is about the most basic, no frills Rolex you can get. Wouldn't appeal to me, but to each his own. If I went Sub, I'd get a date and COSC at a minimum. Maybe go used if $$ are an issue.

Hi, I like how the GMT 2c looks alltogether, but to be honest I dont need the 24 hour hand, so it would be more for bragging rights. I dont have many other watches, an old concord delirium in all steel, a vintage swiss benrus and a timex

BigHat · 30 July 2008, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cocopeep

Hi, I like how the GMT 2c looks alltogether, but to be honest I dont need the 24 hour hand, so it would be more for bragging rights. I dont have many other watches, an old concord delirium in all steel, a vintage swiss benrus and a timex

Avoid buying for bragging rights. Do buy for utility. I'd find a COSC Sub Date somewhere if you like the overall look. SD is you don't like the bubble on the crystal.

Again, the price doesn't sound all that awesome to me but others can probably advise more accurately. About the cheapest Rolexes you can buy, so even 10% off isn't that much.

Of course, this is free advice and that's what it's worth. The best advice I've EVER read on this site is if YOU LOVE IT, than it's right for you. Good luck to you.

superdelsol · 30 July 2008, 05:18 AM

I know how you feel cocopeep. I have a GMT II, but still like the look of the Sub no date, and the Sea-Dweller. The lack of the cyclops cleans the dial, and adds a more professional, or rugged look in my opinion. Get the one that makes you happy. The current Sub is on the way out, maybe the non-date will be dropped from the line, who knows. The GMT IIC will always be there if you decide that you want it too.

veilstylez · 30 July 2008, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHat

Avoid buying for bragging rights. Do buy for utility. I'd find a COSC Sub Date somewhere if you like the overall look. SD is you don't like the bubble on the crystal.

Again, the price doesn't sound all that awesome to me but others can probably advise more accurately. About the cheapest Rolexes you can buy, so even 10% off isn't that much.

Of course, this is free advice and that's what it's worth. The best advice I've EVER read on this site is if YOU LOVE IT, than it's right for you. Good luck to you.

I agree with Bighat....price doesnt sound to great. I dont think a No date sub is worth 5k. Get a Sub-date or the GMTc, you wont regret it.

Tools · 30 July 2008, 06:13 AM

I disagree......

5300 is the MSRP so 5035 out the door is quite reasonable for a brand new Sub, and more than a thousand less than you can get the new GMT for....

I have a Sub on right now and I would always grab it before a new GMT Ceramic - I'm one of those people who likes the looks and feel of the Sub better.

cocopeep · 30 July 2008, 06:43 AM

Thanks for your input everyone! One thing I would not know until I lived with both watches is which one would be more comfortable on the wrist. So far they both look similiar, I did not try on the GMT yet, but I do have the DJ (as shown) in my avatar and the sub was very comfortable given that it uses the old style bracelet.

Wolfgang427 · 30 July 2008, 08:37 AM

You can do better with the price as many AD's in this area have the same watches sitting unsold in the cases.

mike · 30 July 2008, 08:48 AM

I can't speak to pricing in your area so I won't comment there. Try the GMT IIc on. You know how the Sub fits so trying the other ought to give a good idea which is for you.

At the end of the day it's all about the best watch for you.

Texsubmariner · 30 July 2008, 11:36 AM

I agree with Mike. Before you buy either one, go to an AD where both are on display and try both on. Good luck.

DSJ · 30 July 2008, 12:19 PM

A decent guy has one for sale here for a lot less...

Trurolexer · 30 July 2008, 02:04 PM

Go For GMT II-c!!!

I think that Sub ND price is a bit high...

30 July 2008, 04:36 AM	#1
cocopeep "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: PA Watch: DJ 116234 Posts: 510	GMT IIc ceramic vs Sub no date Hi everyone, I did a current thread on "thinking of a GMT 2 ceramic and today came across a sub no date, non-certified chronometer in ross-simons in paramus nj mall. I really like the look of the GMT 2c and its new bracelet with that watch. However the sub no date looked beautiful on my wrist, he sized it and it fit well. Retails for $5300, he said he would sell it for 5035 and ship it to me to avoid tax. Would you trust Ross simons to ship it via ups? It would cost $50 to do this. Is this a good deal, I like it because it does not have a 24 hour hand which I wont use and the dial is very simple. Thanks

30 July 2008, 05:18 AM	#5
superdelsol "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Scott Location: Arizona, USA Watch: your 6. Posts: 388	I know how you feel cocopeep. I have a GMT II, but still like the look of the Sub no date, and the Sea-Dweller. The lack of the cyclops cleans the dial, and adds a more professional, or rugged look in my opinion. Get the one that makes you happy. The current Sub is on the way out, maybe the non-date will be dropped from the line, who knows. The GMT IIC will always be there if you decide that you want it too. __________________ "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." Dr. Richard P. Feynman, Rogers Commission Report, Appendix F, 9 June 1986

30 July 2008, 06:13 AM	#7
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,225	I disagree...... 5300 is the MSRP so 5035 out the door is quite reasonable for a brand new Sub, and more than a thousand less than you can get the new GMT for.... I have a Sub on right now and I would always grab it before a new GMT Ceramic - I'm one of those people who likes the looks and feel of the Sub better. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

30 July 2008, 11:36 AM	#11
Texsubmariner "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Khanh Location: Texas Watch: SSGMTc Posts: 1,227	I agree with Mike. Before you buy either one, go to an AD where both are on display and try both on. Good luck. __________________ Sea Dweller M series SS GMT IIc M series Omega SMP Electric Blue Dial Wife's SS WG MOP Ladies DJ Z series

30 July 2008, 12:19 PM	#12
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	A decent guy has one for sale here for a lot less... __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

30 July 2008, 06:43 AM	#8
cocopeep "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: PA Watch: DJ 116234 Posts: 510	Thanks for your input everyone! One thing I would not know until I lived with both watches is which one would be more comfortable on the wrist. So far they both look similiar, I did not try on the GMT yet, but I do have the DJ (as shown) in my avatar and the sub was very comfortable given that it uses the old style bracelet.

30 July 2008, 08:37 AM	#9
Wolfgang427 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Wolfgang Location: New Jersey. Watch: Rolex Tudor Omega Posts: 5,590	You can do better with the price as many AD's in this area have the same watches sitting unsold in the cases.

30 July 2008, 08:48 AM	#10
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	I can't speak to pricing in your area so I won't comment there. Try the GMT IIc on. You know how the Sub fits so trying the other ought to give a good idea which is for you. At the end of the day it's all about the best watch for you.

30 July 2008, 02:04 PM	#13
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Go For GMT II-c!!! I think that Sub ND price is a bit high...

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