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Old 6 August 2012, 03:18 PM   #1
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Embarrassing to bring a 10x loupe?

I am planning to buy my second rolex, a dssd. I had a dust speck on my previous purchase, so I am bringing along a 10x loupe this time to inspect the dial personally before buying.

I'm afraid that the AD will look down on me. But I really do not want to be a victim again, so now in dilemma. Pls advise..
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Old 6 August 2012, 03:24 PM   #2
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No problem with that. I would too if I had a previous problem.
I'm sure that AD will understand when you explain to him.

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Old 6 August 2012, 03:24 PM   #3
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Why would you feel embarrassed? Its a big decision! Sure they may think you are crazy but who cares! If they frown on you for doing what makes you feel comfortable to make a purchase than take your business elsewhere!
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Old 6 August 2012, 03:30 PM   #4
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I always have a 15x loupe with me when buying watches.
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Old 6 August 2012, 03:30 PM   #5
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Old 6 August 2012, 03:43 PM   #6
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Victim of a dust speck?

Sounds a bit like hyperbole to me.
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Old 6 August 2012, 03:57 PM   #7
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Why would you feel embarrassed? Its a big decision! Sure they may think you are crazy but who cares! If they frown on you for doing what makes you feel comfortable to make a purchase than take your business elsewhere!
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Old 6 August 2012, 04:33 PM   #8
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You know guys - some people are 'afraid' to go to an AD 10 times to try on watches before making a decision. Some are scared of taking a loupe, or whatever you need to feel comfy, or inspecting the watch for 10 minutes.

It's a minimum of a 6k you are putting down for any model, and most of the times more than that.

This is probably due to AD's pressuring the sale or making you feel like its a burden you being there or taking their time up.

You're the customer, do whatever you want to make you feel comfortable. You have the buying power and at the end of the day, the guy or gal on the other side of the counter is going to be there no matter what, helping you or someone else. It's their job, let them do it and EARN the sale!

If they dont want your business, hell with them =)

Take your loupe and be proud
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Old 6 August 2012, 04:43 PM   #9
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If my AD said anything about me bringing a loupe in and made me feel embarrassed I would tell her manager and say they lost a good customer. Do you not look closely at a new car before you buy it? Do you not check the foundation of a new house and make sure everything is top notch before you buy it? Sure a loupe is taking it somewhat far but you wont notice the tiniest flaw on a car or house boat etc but on a watch which all of us wis's who stare at the dial all day may very well notice a small flaw which takes away from the enjoyment of it. You should go ahead and smell the damn watch to make sure the watchmaker cleaned his hands who made it if that makes you comfortable! Your the customer you are always right now go put that loupe to work!
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Old 6 August 2012, 06:56 PM   #10
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I would not. I would verify it at home, or in the car, after the purchase. Why? The risk is minimal, even if you have had a problem previously.
Very small dots can be considered as normal, it is just a watch, and surgical watches are myths.
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I am planning to buy my second rolex, a dssd. I had a dust speck on my previous purchase, so I am bringing along a 10x loupe this time to inspect the dial personally before buying.

I'm afraid that the AD will look down on me. But I really do not want to be a victim again, so now in dilemma. Pls advise..
Afraid today loupe mania is the norm with most Rolex wearers today with Rolex watches so don't be embarrassed.
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Old 6 August 2012, 07:05 PM   #12
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If my AD said anything about me bringing a loupe in and made me feel embarrassed I would tell her manager and say they lost a good customer. Do you not look closely at a new car before you buy it? Do you not check the foundation of a new house and make sure everything is top notch before you buy it? Sure a loupe is taking it somewhat far but you wont notice the tiniest flaw on a car or house boat etc but on a watch which all of us wis's who stare at the dial all day may very well notice a small flaw which takes away from the enjoyment of it. You should go ahead and smell the damn watch to make sure the watchmaker cleaned his hands who made it if that makes you comfortable! Your the customer you are always right now go put that loupe to work!
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Old 6 August 2012, 07:15 PM   #13
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No, not in my view. All major watch manufacturers can let out specimens with "issues" from time to time....it pays to examine the piece you intend to purchase to make sure it isn't one of those. Easier to do that, then find out afterwards and have to deal with the customer service process (however good or accomodating it may be) after the fact!
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Old 6 August 2012, 07:24 PM   #14
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i would if im about to purchase a vintage piece...but wont if im going for a new 1..would you..?
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Old 6 August 2012, 07:40 PM   #15
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I gotta be honest I would feel like a bit of a nerd, but I can understand why u are doing it. Won't they have a loupe in store anyway, just ask to borrow theirs.
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Old 6 August 2012, 08:33 PM   #16
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No, not in my view. All major watch manufacturers can let out specimens with "issues" from time to time....it pays to examine the piece you intend to purchase to make sure it isn't one of those. Easier to do that, then find out afterwards and have to deal with the customer service process (however good or accomodating it may be) after the fact!
This is the exact feeling... I hate going through the post sale customer procedure... this is why, I decided to bring my 10x loupe along. Thanks for all the good advices, not that I dont trust Rolex QC but I had gotten a bad feeling when I purchased my first rolex. So now, I am not going to make the same mistake again.
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Old 6 August 2012, 08:59 PM   #17
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You're the customer and it's your money you're parting with.

If you're planning to use a loupe to inspect your watch for potential angst inducing flaws anyway, you might as well do it at the shop. I'm sure it would make life a whole lot easier to discover any flaws before purchase than dealing with them after.

I've never used a loupe myself, but I don't think you should feel any sense of embarrassment or being intimidated for wanting to do so.

Let us know how it all goes.

Edit: Just saw your post above and see you've decided to take the loupe. Good for you.

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Old 6 August 2012, 09:10 PM   #18
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When I bought my wife her engagement ring, the jeweler lent me a loupe to inspect the diamond, which was much less expensive than why many current watches go for.

Personally, I wouldn't do it, but you should not feel embarrassed doing so.
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Old 6 August 2012, 09:15 PM   #19
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I would not feel embarrassed, especially if I had a previous issue but the store would no doubt have a loupe for you to use and if you brought it up in conversation about your previous issue and then asked to borrow a loupe - it would be entirely understandable. I doubt they would be the least bit reluctant to accomodate.
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Old 6 August 2012, 09:26 PM   #20
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I'd do the same thing and bring a 10X loupe. No embarassment at all.
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Old 6 August 2012, 09:41 PM   #21
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Another solution:
You borrow the AD's loupe, saying that you want to see the dial's perfection... They will not refuse.
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Old 6 August 2012, 09:47 PM   #22
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If i am spending thousands of dollars on something most spend $15 on, than I would have no problem bringing a microscope let alone a loupe to examine the piece. IMHO. :-)
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Old 6 August 2012, 10:11 PM   #24
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Who cares what the ad thinks,it's your money do whatever inspection you feel like doing.just like buying a car it's a big expense make sure it's to your liking.
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Old 6 August 2012, 10:28 PM   #25
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Agree with everyone above. Bring the loupe and use it.
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Old 6 August 2012, 10:31 PM   #26
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My AD knows me well by now.... they inspect a watch long before I get there because they know I expect perfection. Not in an annoying way, but as it should be, that you pay for Rolex/Omega quality and you expect to see a clean dial, markers all aligned etc.

Last time I went to pick up a watch they handed me a loupe and said it was already inspected and ready to go.
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Old 6 August 2012, 10:42 PM   #27
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I've just asked to borrow the AD's loupe. Not embarrassed at all. They seemed fine with it too. I'd bring yours for sure.
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I've had jewellers and other stores offer me use of a loupe, but for the past few years I just take my trusty 8x with me. Handy for me, being somewhat long-sighted. And note that some watch manufacturers actually include a loupe in the packaging, so that you can closely admire their craftsmanship

Not wanting to get into the 'are flaws acceptable?' debate, but surely it is worth spending 5-10 mins carefully examining an expensive purchase before handing over the loot?
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Another solution:
You borrow the AD's loupe, saying that you want to see the dial's perfection... They will not refuse.
This is the best solution IMHO. Have your own in your car's glovebox as a Plan B, but ask for theirs first.

It can be a cultural thing and Dennis lives in a part of the world where it could be taken as a slight to one's character if you whip out your own loupe - a silent sign of distrust.

When working close-up under race cars I learned a trick - use 6 power reading glasses to see things clearly with both eyes while keeping both hands free. This isn't as good as 10x loupe but it avoids the potential for putting-off the seller (AD or private).
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I gotta be honest I would feel like a bit of a nerd, but I can understand why u are doing it. Won't they have a loupe in store anyway, just ask to borrow theirs.
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