50th Anniv Sub

[dcash0615]

I am new to this forum. I have a question about my 50th anniv sub. I purchased in 2005, not through an AD. All papers and the certificate came with the watch. the watch had never been worn. The person I purchased the watch from guaranteed me the watch was 100% authentic or my money back. To be safe, I took the watch to the Rolex service center in Beverly Hills. They certified the watch was 100% authentic and gave me a certificate of authenticity to keep with my Rolex certificate.

The question that I have is on the certificate of authenticity that the Rolex service center provided me the model is described at 16610TLV. What does the "T" mean? I always thought it was 16610LV.

Any insight?

thanks

[ohlins]

t = no holes case.....

[mike]

Yep! Between the lugs the reference number for the LV is 16610T, just like the standard sub date--no lug holes.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by ohlins

t = no holes case.....

Thats is 100% correct sir, Rolex stopped making lug holes on their Submariner cases before they started to make the LV 2003.So if you see someone selling an LV as genuine and it has lug holes,run away as fast as you can.

[tonelar]

That's a really neat thing for the SC to do... Did it cost you anything?

I'm wondering if we might someday see LV fakes that are actually SS Subs dressed up by some watch maker...

Or does rolex have access to serial number info about which SS Subs were LV and which one's weren't?

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by tonelar

Or does rolex have access to serial number info about which SS Subs were LV and which one's weren't?

Rolex most certainly has access to each and every production model, Tony!!

Just give them a serial number and they'll tell you which model it is. The whole thing must be computerised and easy for them to trace in an instant.

JJ

[henry2703]

"Thats is 100% correct sir, Rolex stopped making lug holes on their Submariner cases before they started to make the LV 2003.So if you see someone selling an LV as genuine and it has lug holes,run away as fast as you can."


Actually that is what i thot.. i saw this guy wearing a sub with date, LV version but not SEL. I check and told him.. this is a really good fake! i got a dressing from him instead... apparently you can get the green bezel and fix it into a normal sub and change the hands blah blah blah... you get a LV version.. except for the serial number and the model number...

[Lol-x]

Thanks guys good information. So is it correct to say that the current sub without the LV also has no lug holes but doesn't have the T stamped into the case. i.e. only the LV has the T stamped into the case but both models and also the TT model simply have the model number without the T stamped into the case?
Cheers

[mike]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Thanks guys good information. So is it correct to say that the current sub without the LV also has no lug holes but doesn't have the T stamped into the case. i.e. only the LV has the T stamped into the case but both models and also the TT model simply have the model number without the T stamped into the case?
Cheers

Steve, they will all have a T. whether a 16610, LV,or 16613. The T indicates a non-lug hole reference.

[Lol-x]

O.K. thank you Mike, so how can one tell from the serial number on the case whether the watch is an original 50th anniversary green sub as opposed to a regular 16610? Is there any way by model numbers alone?

[dcash0615]

The SC charged me $60 to certifiy the watch.

I spoke to a friend of mine who did the same thing I did on his 16613 model. But, what he did was ask that they look over the watch to make sure all was ok and make recommendations on what service needed to be done on the watch if any. He told me that they did not charge him for looking over the watch. They did not provide him a certificate of authenticity, but they did tell me that the watch was original Rolex.

[roadcarver]

It's about 90 CDN to certify a watch in Toronto but it takes a week now.

How long did it take for you?

Originally Posted by dcash0615

The SC charged me $60 to certifiy the watch.

I spoke to a friend of mine who did the same thing I did on his 16613 model. But, what he did was ask that they look over the watch to make sure all was ok and make recommendations on what service needed to be done on the watch if any. He told me that they did not charge him for looking over the watch. They did not provide him a certificate of authenticity, but they did tell me that the watch was original Rolex.

[dcash0615]

Under an hour. I just walked in. I was surprised at how quickly they did it. I asked if they opened the back and checked the movement as well and they said they did. I could tell that they opened the back of the watch up. The clear sticker covering the green sticker on the back of the watch had a few marks on it from their tool.

[JJ Irani]

Here ya go, guys....both these watches are WITHOUT lug-holes. Note the "T" next to the model number!!

[mike]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

O.K. thank you Mike, so how can one tell from the serial number on the case whether the watch is an original 50th anniversary green sub as opposed to a regular 16610? Is there any way by model numbers alone?

The only place a difference appears is on the certificate and the hang tag.
Of course Rolex will know when the watch is brought in for service or validation.

[Eric]

Hi pardon me for my ignorance, what is a lug hole. How does it looks like on a watch with lug holes

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Eric

Hi pardon me for my ignorance, what is a lug hole. How does it looks like on a watch with lug holes

The holes where the bracelet pin locate to hold bracelet/strap to the watch.Watch lug the parts of a watch that go between the case and where the bracelet or strap fit between.Rolex now the holes are not drilled right though the lug ends.

One of JJs pictures.

[ohlins]

Originally Posted by mike

The only place a difference appears is on the certificate and the hang tag.
Of course Rolex will know when the watch is brought in for service or validation.

mike, i think that depends....

on my cert there was no code for lv.....only the hang tag.....



there were several postings on tz that showed that certs in some countries clearly labelled the watch as lv....:)

[mike]

Originally Posted by ohlins

mike, i think that depends....

on my cert there was no code for lv.....only the hang tag.....



there were several postings on tz that showed that certs in some countries clearly labelled the watch as lv....:)

That is correct. I may have been too vague. On the cert. the sryle is marked 16610vxxxxx. The hang tag is marked LV.

[tonelar]

Originally Posted by ohlins

there were several postings on tz that showed that certs in some countries clearly labelled the watch as lv....:)

Hi Ohlins,
So, these certificates showed the case ref number as 16610LV or as 16610V?

[mike]

Originally Posted by tonelar

Hi Ohlins,
So, these certificates showed the case ref number as 16610LV or as 16610V?

Tony,
Here's a quick & dirty of one of mine. The cert., at least here, just shows 16610V



Certs. in other countries may well show something else, many places unlike the USA use punched certificates.

[ohlins]

Originally Posted by tonelar

Hi Ohlins,
So, these certificates showed the case ref number as 16610LV or as 16610V?

yes i have seen examples of those.....one of which mike has posted above...

mine only shows 16610.....and is a punched warranty paper......which is different from the type-written example mike showed us....

[tonelar]

that's interesting... thanks guys...

so the style number can say 16610V or just 16610, depending on the physical location of the AD.

It's a good thing Rolex keeps their records straight. It'd suck to send a watch to RSC 5 or so years from now for a service and get back a black bezeled, non maxi 16610.

Now I don't even want to look at my certificate...