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stevemulholland3 · 30 July 2010, 06:28 AM

then be sure to read this..
this watch that is listed was sent to me a couple of months ago by this seller
and as soon as it arrived I could see right off that the papers where double stamped(with two different serial numbers!) and someone attemped to cover the original serial up with dirt and liquid paper..well of course I sent it back,to me this paper was an obvious attemp to defraud..now at the time I couldnt say that the seller did this,maybe he didnt notice and sold it..at least I was hoping that was the case.
the seller was very apologetic and said he couldnt understand how he didnt notice this and would "take care of it"
now a couple of months later he list's it again and now the papers are even dirtier than the first time and even more torn up..I geuss they realized that they didnt do a good enough job the first time around!
to me this is blatant proof that the seller knew about the fake papers the first time and wasnt banking on an experienced buyer looking at the papers..
so beware of this watch/auction..assume that its just the watch without papers because i have seen the papers myself and they are forgeries!
not to mention the seller is pretty scummy for attempting to defraud fellow collectors!
fyi..the first time they sold this watch on their other ebay I.D. which is 30watches..just so you know who you are dealing with..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MakeTrack=true

stevemulholland3 · 30 July 2010, 06:50 AM

now the seller is claiming that he and 30watches are not the same place..
even though they are in the exact same city and I have seen them both sell the exact same watches..its a rather large story to buy..
but you can make up your own minds

TimeToGo · 30 July 2010, 07:16 AM

Coming from you is enough!

Thanks for the heads up!

1340jas · 30 July 2010, 07:20 AM

The paper certainly looks to have been defaced in the most crucial area.
Steve, does the watch look to "new" to be a red sub?

TimeToGo · 30 July 2010, 07:26 AM

VERIFIED!

I never DOUBTED you Steve.

Here is the listing from 30watches (for the same watch)

http://global.ebay.com/70s_ROLEX_Sub...435552369/item

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI....m=330435552369

TimeToGo · 30 July 2010, 07:35 AM

Pics comparison of the evidence -

Nicko · 30 July 2010, 08:06 AM

Damn! I hate scammers!!!!!!!!

BASSETHOUNDS · 30 July 2010, 08:23 AM

L.C. in person is now aware of the case . Final decision will come from there .

TimeToGo · 30 July 2010, 09:35 AM

Listing is a GONERZ!

springer · 30 July 2010, 02:21 PM

What a jerkoff, or tosser if you prefer.

HFLO · 30 July 2010, 03:02 PM

thks to all for the great effort

maybe we (or at least for me) should keep a list of 'stay-away' eBay sellers

sturgeon123456 · 30 July 2010, 03:44 PM

Was the watch a fake or put together red so to speak? Or were just the papers the problem......just curious.......either way it's a brutal thing to do.

BASSETHOUNDS · 30 July 2010, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

L.C. in person is now aware of the case . Final decision will come from there .

Thank you L.C. We would have to applaud that call made by Ebay . It shows that they appreciate what we do here on watch out .

stevemulholland3 · 30 July 2010, 08:47 PM

good work guys!
we undoubtly just saved someone litterally thousands of dollars..
the actual watch was fine..I completely checked it out and even fixed some of the broken parts that where on it before I had a chance to look at the papers..then of course once I saw the papers I knew I had to send it back..I wasnt going to take the new parts off of it..lol..so I just took a loss and returned it as is.
the problem is that a red sub with papers is a rarity these days and you pay a hefty premium for one..I would say there is a 2 to 4k difference on a red sub with and without papers..even more so for a meters first red.
anyways,I digress..
good work everyone!

BASSETHOUNDS · 30 July 2010, 09:00 PM

Hmmmm ... Red Sub papers are a rarity , hé ? worth up to 4K .. thank you that didn't fall in a deaf man's ears

Things don't seem that bad after all

mcjp6 · 30 July 2010, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

Things don't seem that bad after all

There you go Tristan, I said look on the bright side, the papers are worth more than the dial.......

BASSETHOUNDS · 30 July 2010, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcjp6

There you go Tristan, I said look on the bright side, the papers are worth more than the dial.......

Well ... I wouldn't go as far as that .. but . Ok I'm working on the dial bit as we speak !

TimeToGo · 30 July 2010, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcjp6

There you go Tristan, I said look on the bright side, the papers are worth more than the dial.......

Actually the dial could cost just as much ($2-3K++)

afnios1 · 31 July 2010, 06:30 AM

i only wonder,why you left a possitive feedback instead to revise it.But you helps a lot with all you post abt this guy.

dbphotos · 31 July 2010, 11:32 AM

My question is how would someone's paperwork get that dirty legitimately? Would they keep it in their work boots? Geesh!

30 July 2010, 06:28 AM	#1
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	FRAUD ALERT!..if your thinking of buying a red sub on ebay.. then be sure to read this.. this watch that is listed was sent to me a couple of months ago by this seller and as soon as it arrived I could see right off that the papers where double stamped(with two different serial numbers!) and someone attemped to cover the original serial up with dirt and liquid paper..well of course I sent it back,to me this paper was an obvious attemp to defraud..now at the time I couldnt say that the seller did this,maybe he didnt notice and sold it..at least I was hoping that was the case. the seller was very apologetic and said he couldnt understand how he didnt notice this and would "take care of it" now a couple of months later he list's it again and now the papers are even dirtier than the first time and even more torn up..I geuss they realized that they didnt do a good enough job the first time around! to me this is blatant proof that the seller knew about the fake papers the first time and wasnt banking on an experienced buyer looking at the papers.. so beware of this watch/auction..assume that its just the watch without papers because i have seen the papers myself and they are forgeries! not to mention the seller is pretty scummy for attempting to defraud fellow collectors! fyi..the first time they sold this watch on their other ebay I.D. which is 30watches..just so you know who you are dealing with.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MakeTrack=true

30 July 2010, 02:21 PM	#10
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,123	What a jerkoff, or tosser if you prefer. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

30 July 2010, 03:02 PM	#11
HFLO "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malaysia Watch: 1803 DD Posts: 377	thks to all for the great effort maybe we (or at least for me) should keep a list of 'stay-away' eBay sellers __________________ time is what a clock measures . . . especially ROLEX !

31 July 2010, 11:32 AM	#20
dbphotos "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: David Location: Texas Watch: your 6! Posts: 898	My question is how would someone's paperwork get that dirty legitimately? Would they keep it in their work boots? Geesh! __________________ www.DavidBailey.com Rolex DD YG 18238 \| Rolex 1675 Pepsi \| Rolex 14060 \| Rolex Vintage 6694 \| Rolex TT 16013 \| Tudor Tiger 79280P on Shark strap \| a whole bunch of misc watches

30 July 2010, 06:50 AM	#2
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	now the seller is claiming that he and 30watches are not the same place.. even though they are in the exact same city and I have seen them both sell the exact same watches..its a rather large story to buy.. but you can make up your own minds

30 July 2010, 07:16 AM	#3
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,632	Coming from you is enough! Thanks for the heads up!

30 July 2010, 07:20 AM	#4
1340jas "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: Wales Watch: SS Sub Date 'V' Posts: 199	The paper certainly looks to have been defaced in the most crucial area. Steve, does the watch look to "new" to be a red sub?

30 July 2010, 07:26 AM	#5
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,632	VERIFIED! I never DOUBTED you Steve. Here is the listing from 30watches (for the same watch) http://global.ebay.com/70s_ROLEX_Sub...435552369/item http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI....m=330435552369

30 July 2010, 08:06 AM	#7
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Damn! I hate scammers!!!!!!!!

30 July 2010, 08:23 AM	#8
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	L.C. in person is now aware of the case . Final decision will come from there .

30 July 2010, 09:35 AM	#9
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,632	Listing is a GONERZ!

30 July 2010, 03:44 PM	#12
sturgeon123456 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 2,551	Was the watch a fake or put together red so to speak? Or were just the papers the problem......just curious.......either way it's a brutal thing to do.

30 July 2010, 08:47 PM	#14
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	good work guys! we undoubtly just saved someone litterally thousands of dollars.. the actual watch was fine..I completely checked it out and even fixed some of the broken parts that where on it before I had a chance to look at the papers..then of course once I saw the papers I knew I had to send it back..I wasnt going to take the new parts off of it..lol..so I just took a loss and returned it as is. the problem is that a red sub with papers is a rarity these days and you pay a hefty premium for one..I would say there is a 2 to 4k difference on a red sub with and without papers..even more so for a meters first red. anyways,I digress.. good work everyone!

30 July 2010, 09:00 PM	#15
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Hmmmm ... Red Sub papers are a rarity , hé ? worth up to 4K .. thank you that didn't fall in a deaf man's ears Things don't seem that bad after all

31 July 2010, 06:30 AM	#19
afnios1 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: michail Location: Korinthos, Greece Watch: IWC 371503 gst. Posts: 396	i only wonder,why you left a possitive feedback instead to revise it.But you helps a lot with all you post abt this guy.

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