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Arpinum · 16 December 2012, 12:02 AM

Just picked up a 14060m at a fair price from a reputable dealer, in excellent condition for its age, with all box and papers and even the anchor, and originally from a UK AD.

The lugs on the crown side are measurably narrower than those on the other side. This is possibly due to over-polishing at some point in the watch's life, or according to some posts on this forum, some older watches might have come from the factory like this.

Can anyone else see this from the photos, and if so would this bother you? It is nagging me.

Frogman4me · 16 December 2012, 12:18 AM

Most likely an over polish, and yes it would bother me.

financeman · 16 December 2012, 12:24 AM

Looks like it was definitely over polished at some pint in its life. As long as it doesnt bother you to bad then dont worry about it.
If its does bother you, it can be fixed but from what i have read is very expensive.

subtona · 16 December 2012, 12:26 AM

fyi. that is normal.
the crown side is made slightly narrower to balance the watch. many owners never notice... because it is so balanced

SPACE-DWELLER · 16 December 2012, 12:28 AM

If you look closely at every Rolex with crown guards, you will notice that the top and lower right lugs are actually slimmer than the left lugs... the design is said to have to do with the crown guards.

Arpinum · 16 December 2012, 12:32 AM

Thanks for replies guys.

I have had a couple of 14060s in the past and didn't notice the lug differences on them.

I have also been looking at every photo of 14060ms I can find, and some do have narrower lugs on the crown side, but many do not seem to.

I would appreciate any other photos of normal Subs with the same shape lugs.

Mine is from 2001.

Mickey® · 16 December 2012, 12:45 AM

My 14060m is a M serial and its never been polished. Appears to be slightly narrower on crown side. I thought I heard in past it was designed that way. I can barely notice.

kilyung · 16 December 2012, 12:50 AM

Perfectly normal. I've had many pass through my hands just like that.

Tools · 16 December 2012, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arpinum

. . .I would appreciate any other photos of normal Subs with the same shape lugs.

Mine is from 2001.

It's normal..

Mickey® · 16 December 2012, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

It's normal..

That's cool Larry.

Arpinum · 16 December 2012, 02:38 AM

Thanks for the reassurance.

The different angles of the slopes do seem normal as in Tools's picture.

Is it also normal for the widths of the lug ends to differ? In my first pic the top right lug is noticeably narrower, at its narrow end, than the narrow end of the top left lug, and I don't think it has ever been polished.

Mickey® · 16 December 2012, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arpinum

Thanks for the reassurance.

The different angles of the slopes do seem normal as in Tools's picture.

Is it also normal for the widths of the lug ends to differ? In my first pic the top right lug is noticeably narrower, at its narrow end, than the narrow end of the top left lug, and I don't think it has ever been polished.

You should see if seller will take it back. I'm not sure you will ever be happy with this one

It happens....

G-Web · 16 December 2012, 02:46 AM

Wow! I had no idea.
That's the kind of minutiae I love about forums like this.

-GW

kilyung · 16 December 2012, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey®

You should see if seller will take it back. I'm not sure you will ever be happy with this one

It happens....

Why would the seller take it back? Nothing wrong with it.

Speed · 16 December 2012, 03:03 AM

Same goes for the 16610 right? I thought I saw an extended tutorial by Larry on this matter previously.

Mickey® · 16 December 2012, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Why would the seller take it back? Nothing wrong with it.

I know (there is nothing wrong) the OP IMHO needs one that isn't as polished/looks better to him to be happy. Again in my opinion...and you know what they say about opinions!!!!

If it were me and I was posting these questions and not enjoying the watch...I'd know in my mind that this particular watch wouldn't be mine for long.

That's all...

padi56 · 16 December 2012, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

If you look closely at every Rolex with crown guards, you will notice that the top and lower right lugs are actually slimmer than the left lugs... the design is said to have to do with the crown guards.

Thats correct and to the original poster just wear your watch in good health for the next 30 plus years.Now thats far more important than inspecting and measuring minute differences in your lug size which is perfectly normal.

Arpinum · 16 December 2012, 08:24 AM

Thanks for feedback guys. I am trying not to obsess about minute details, but to me (and to some others who have seen the pictures) these lug differences are not minute. For this much money, I don't think I can accept the extent of variation in the lugs, whether or not it has been polished and whether or not it came from the factory like this. Guess I'll have to keep looking for a keeper.

nauticajoe · 16 December 2012, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

If you look closely at every Rolex with crown guards, you will notice that the top and lower right lugs are actually slimmer than the left lugs... the design is said to have to do with the crown guards.

X2. Perfectly normal.

Mickey® · 16 December 2012, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arpinum

Thanks for feedback guys. I am trying not to obsess about minute details, but to me (and to some others who have seen the pictures) these lug differences are not minute. For this much money, I don't think I can accept the extent of variation in the lugs, whether or not it has been polished and whether or not it came from the factory like this. Guess I'll have to keep looking for a keeper.

You have to be happy!

Johny · 17 December 2012, 12:49 AM

hi op can you post some pics of the crown guards?

Arpinum · 17 December 2012, 03:15 AM

The top photo shows the crown guards. They are not identical.

tomchicago · 17 December 2012, 03:18 AM

very interesting! always suspected something like this. in order for this to occur via overpolishing, they would REALLY have to go to town on it.

Arpinum · 17 December 2012, 03:24 AM

I agree that if this has happened through polishing they must have gone to town on it. Seller insists the watch is unpolished and unmolested though.

I find it hard to believe that a mass-produced watch could come from the factory and get through quality control with such a disparity - clearly noticeable to the naked eye - between lug sizes. The whole watch seems unbalanced.

Johny · 17 December 2012, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arpinum

The top photo shows the crown guards. They are not identical.

would like to see them from some different angles.

artwigwa · 17 December 2012, 07:37 AM

Had the same problem on a Y serial Sub,

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=26854

Arpinum · 17 December 2012, 08:29 AM

@ artwigwa did you get to the bottom of why your lugs were so different? was it over-polishing?

As they are mass-produced I just don't understand how they could come out of the factory with such differences between different watches.

Rock · 17 December 2012, 05:55 PM

I would be one of the fussiest mothers you would ever come across and I never noticed this on my D Serial 14060. Even now I can't really see a noticeable difference. If it's less than a millimetre I don't think I care - particularly as it came that way from the factory.

Vincent65 · 17 December 2012, 06:25 PM

CGs look like they've had a lot of polishing, to me

Arch Stanton · 17 December 2012, 08:19 PM

I don't see a problem with those lugs but the crown guards would bother me, it looks like they've had quite a bit of meat polished off them.

16 December 2012, 12:24 AM	#3
financeman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Heath Location: Lawrenceburg KY Watch: Submariner Posts: 3,982	Looks like it was definitely over polished at some pint in its life. As long as it doesnt bother you to bad then dont worry about it. If its does bother you, it can be fixed but from what i have read is very expensive. __________________ “You may delay, but time will not.” ― Benjamin Franklin

16 December 2012, 12:26 AM	#4
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,074	fyi. that is normal. the crown side is made slightly narrower to balance the watch. many owners never notice... because it is so balanced __________________

16 December 2012, 12:28 AM	#5
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	If you look closely at every Rolex with crown guards, you will notice that the top and lower right lugs are actually slimmer than the left lugs... the design is said to have to do with the crown guards. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

17 December 2012, 12:49 AM	#21
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	hi op can you post some pics of the crown guards? __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

17 December 2012, 05:55 PM	#28
Rock 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rocky Location: Australia Watch: Grail:Bluesy Posts: 17,721	I would be one of the fussiest mothers you would ever come across and I never noticed this on my D Serial 14060. Even now I can't really see a noticeable difference. If it's less than a millimetre I don't think I care - particularly as it came that way from the factory. __________________ Cellini 4112. Sub 14060M. DJ 16233. Rotherhams 1847 Pocket-watch. Foundation Member of 'Horologists Anonymous' "Hi, I'm Rocky, and I'm a Horologist..."

16 December 2012, 12:18 AM	#2
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	Most likely an over polish, and yes it would bother me.

16 December 2012, 12:32 AM	#6
Arpinum Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 70	Thanks for replies guys. I have had a couple of 14060s in the past and didn't notice the lug differences on them. I have also been looking at every photo of 14060ms I can find, and some do have narrower lugs on the crown side, but many do not seem to. I would appreciate any other photos of normal Subs with the same shape lugs. Mine is from 2001.

16 December 2012, 12:45 AM	#7
Mickey® Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Mickey® Location: Atlanta, GA Watch: Swiss Made Posts: 5,801	My 14060m is a M serial and its never been polished. Appears to be slightly narrower on crown side. I thought I heard in past it was designed that way. I can barely notice.

16 December 2012, 12:50 AM	#8
kilyung 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,873	Perfectly normal. I've had many pass through my hands just like that.

16 December 2012, 02:38 AM	#11
Arpinum Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 70	Thanks for the reassurance. The different angles of the slopes do seem normal as in Tools's picture. Is it also normal for the widths of the lug ends to differ? In my first pic the top right lug is noticeably narrower, at its narrow end, than the narrow end of the top left lug, and I don't think it has ever been polished.

16 December 2012, 02:46 AM	#13
G-Web 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Grant Location: NZ Watch: Moon Posts: 1,699	Wow! I had no idea. That's the kind of minutiae I love about forums like this. -GW

16 December 2012, 03:03 AM	#15
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Same goes for the 16610 right? I thought I saw an extended tutorial by Larry on this matter previously.

16 December 2012, 08:24 AM	#18
Arpinum Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 70	Thanks for feedback guys. I am trying not to obsess about minute details, but to me (and to some others who have seen the pictures) these lug differences are not minute. For this much money, I don't think I can accept the extent of variation in the lugs, whether or not it has been polished and whether or not it came from the factory like this. Guess I'll have to keep looking for a keeper.

17 December 2012, 03:15 AM	#22
Arpinum Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 70	The top photo shows the crown guards. They are not identical.

17 December 2012, 03:18 AM	#23
tomchicago Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Watch: 16710BLRO, 214270. Posts: 2,717	very interesting! always suspected something like this. in order for this to occur via overpolishing, they would REALLY have to go to town on it.

17 December 2012, 03:24 AM	#24
Arpinum Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 70	I agree that if this has happened through polishing they must have gone to town on it. Seller insists the watch is unpolished and unmolested though. I find it hard to believe that a mass-produced watch could come from the factory and get through quality control with such a disparity - clearly noticeable to the naked eye - between lug sizes. The whole watch seems unbalanced.

17 December 2012, 08:29 AM	#27
Arpinum Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 70	@ artwigwa did you get to the bottom of why your lugs were so different? was it over-polishing? As they are mass-produced I just don't understand how they could come out of the factory with such differences between different watches.

17 December 2012, 06:25 PM	#29
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,297	CGs look like they've had a lot of polishing, to me

17 December 2012, 08:19 PM	#30
Arch Stanton "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: UK Watch: Submariner 14060M Posts: 34	I don't see a problem with those lugs but the crown guards would bother me, it looks like they've had quite a bit of meat polished off them.

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