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Cubbiepants · 15 April 2013, 02:35 AM

Hey gang...I could use some thoughts on authenticity of this 9411/0. My biggest concern is the 54XXXX serial, which is too early for this model. Pics below, and thanks in advance:

Dan Pierce · 15 April 2013, 02:37 AM

I don't see anything I like on this one. I'd run and never look back.
dP

Cubbiepants · 15 April 2013, 02:48 AM

Thanks, Dan. I picked it up on some blurry snaps, but from a reputable seller and with a clearly defined refund option, backed by ebay and paypal. I knew things were off right after opening the box this morning and taking some snaps. Thought I would have my worries confirmed before processing the return.

Dan Pierce · 15 April 2013, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubbiepants

Thanks, Dan. I picked it up on some blurry snaps, but from a reputable seller and with a clearly defined refund option, backed by ebay and paypal. I knew things were off right after opening the box this morning and taking some snaps. Thought I would have my worries confirmed before processing the return.

Hope we have a few others to back me up on this.

But the bracelet, hands, and case engraving look off to me.
dP

Cubbiepants · 15 April 2013, 03:02 AM

Well I knew the bracelet was not original to the piece. Was more concerned about the watch itself.

Cubbiepants · 15 April 2013, 03:09 AM

Here is another angle on the hands and dial:

Dan Pierce · 15 April 2013, 03:28 AM

Case back engraving seems too thick, the dial printing is off, and minute and second hands are too long compared to my 9411.
dP

britincali · 15 April 2013, 04:03 AM

I remember reading about fakes having a long E in stainless steel. This looks to have it....

Vincent65 · 15 April 2013, 04:31 AM

Agree with Dan - all looks iffy to me. Run! Even the font/numerals on the insert are of different thicknesses - check the 20 compared to the 50. Not to mention the colour...

Vincent65 · 15 April 2013, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cubbiepants

Well I knew the bracelet was not original to the piece. Was more concerned about the watch itself.

The bracelet is a joke, and if you knew that was dodgy, what's the likelihood that the watch will be any good?!

It's all wrong, case-back engraving, case looks brand new, crown is wrong, hands look off in shape - all the stuff already listed

Cubbiepants · 15 April 2013, 05:46 AM

I was not clear when I noted the bracelet. Meant to say I could tell the bracelet was wrong right away when I opened the parcel. Was looking for confirmation on the rest of the piece. While I was fairly certain, it never hurts to have the opinions of others when sending a piece back. Thanks to all who have added to this thread. It is a shame that one has to be so guarded about watches, but great to have a community of enthusiasts to rely on.

crowncollection · 15 April 2013, 07:15 AM

Case is fake for sure

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tudorman8276 · 15 April 2013, 01:14 PM

...you all have missed the OBVIOUS...long E.

...likewise, as some have already mentioned, the band is ALSO counterfeit.

15 April 2013, 02:35 AM	#1
Cubbiepants Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Alan Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 164	Tudor 9411/0 Submariner Authentication Hey gang...I could use some thoughts on authenticity of this 9411/0. My biggest concern is the 54XXXX serial, which is too early for this model. Pics below, and thanks in advance:

15 April 2013, 02:37 AM	#2
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 35,859	I don't see anything I like on this one. I'd run and never look back. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

15 April 2013, 03:28 AM	#7
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 35,859	Case back engraving seems too thick, the dial printing is off, and minute and second hands are too long compared to my 9411. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

15 April 2013, 04:03 AM	#8
britincali "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: North Wales UK Watch: 16600,16570,6098 Posts: 706	I remember reading about fakes having a long E in stainless steel. This looks to have it.... __________________ Prick club member # 6 P 16600 M Polar EXP II 1951 Waffle dial 6098 https://www.facebook.com/LlwynFfynnon

15 April 2013, 07:15 AM	#12
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,167	Case is fake for sure Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

15 April 2013, 02:48 AM	#3
Cubbiepants Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Alan Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 164	Thanks, Dan. I picked it up on some blurry snaps, but from a reputable seller and with a clearly defined refund option, backed by ebay and paypal. I knew things were off right after opening the box this morning and taking some snaps. Thought I would have my worries confirmed before processing the return.

15 April 2013, 03:02 AM	#5
Cubbiepants Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Alan Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 164	Well I knew the bracelet was not original to the piece. Was more concerned about the watch itself.

15 April 2013, 03:09 AM	#6
Cubbiepants Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Alan Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 164	Here is another angle on the hands and dial:

15 April 2013, 04:31 AM	#9
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,297	Agree with Dan - all looks iffy to me. Run! Even the font/numerals on the insert are of different thicknesses - check the 20 compared to the 50. Not to mention the colour...

15 April 2013, 05:46 AM	#11
Cubbiepants Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Alan Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 164	I was not clear when I noted the bracelet. Meant to say I could tell the bracelet was wrong right away when I opened the parcel. Was looking for confirmation on the rest of the piece. While I was fairly certain, it never hurts to have the opinions of others when sending a piece back. Thanks to all who have added to this thread. It is a shame that one has to be so guarded about watches, but great to have a community of enthusiasts to rely on.

15 April 2013, 01:14 PM	#13
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...hmmm...COMPLETE COUNTERFEIT... ...you all have missed the OBVIOUS...long E. ...likewise, as some have already mentioned, the band is ALSO counterfeit.

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