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Tony G · 27 June 2013, 01:47 PM

Hello my fellow Rolex enthusiast A thought just came to me . Several years ago I purchased GMT 8.4 serial that would make it production year 1983 - 1985 watch is about 25 years old , with a " spider web " dial . I like them even though Rolex Service Center consider them a defect in the gloss paint used during production and will try to swap them out upon service.

1.) My question is what is the stability of these dials as far as becoming less stable in the future and further cracking, powdering or a "piece falling off" into movement via date window and damaging movement ?

2.) has anyone had any of any bad experiences with these" Spider Web ( Crazing ) " Dials ? all opinions also welcome.

joe100 · 27 June 2013, 01:56 PM

I've only seen a handful whic actually started to flake... So far. I consider them damaged and wouldn't buy one myself.

Tony G · 27 June 2013, 02:54 PM

But with the flaking can it get into the movement via the cyclops glass ?

Tony G · 27 June 2013, 02:55 PM

Sorry , I ment to say through date window.

joe100 · 27 June 2013, 08:36 PM

Yes sir, but I've only seen maybe 2. I wouldn't chance it myself.

cop414 · 27 June 2013, 08:49 PM

I would think that the next logical step after the paint cracking "spiderwebbing" would be to chip or flake off, once that happens it's anybodys guess where those pieces will end up.

Tony G · 28 June 2013, 08:36 AM

Anyone else care to comment ?

Frosty · 28 June 2013, 09:11 AM

I took my black TT Sub with a "Spyder Dial" to the RSC in Beverly Hills. They said they would not service it unless I replaced the dial. They were worried something would work its way into the movement. I asked them if I could get a discount on the new dial since this was a well known defect. The lady at the RSC said she had never heard of it.

Since I had to buy a new dial I decided to go blue. I would never buy a spider web dial again, unless I got a $500 discount (because that is what a new dial cost).

Clay · 28 June 2013, 09:45 AM

I was recently offered a nice unpolished 666 that had a Spider dial...I passed...
Didn't like the look and there was no guarantee that in time the dial would flake ...
Not a watch I would purchase...

oceandweller · 28 June 2013, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay

I was recently offered a nice unpolished 666 that had a Spider dial...I passed...
Didn't like the look and there was no guarantee that in time the dial would flake ...
Not a watch I would purchase...

Definitely, most of us will agree, it is a damaged dial and there is no cure for it. However, some unscrupulous elements (possibly callous dealers) tried to off-load such a dial as 'spider web', to deceive potential new-comers to the game of vintage Rolex watch collecting.

Usually, the opinion of RSC is difficult to question, since they know their business, inside-out.

Tony G · 28 June 2013, 10:05 AM

has anyone had a spider web dial that has flaked and damaged movement ?

greekbum · 28 June 2013, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony G

has anyone had a spider web dial that has flaked and damaged movement ?

I have owned more than I can remember and never seen a piece of paint come off yet

skprd13 · 28 June 2013, 04:12 PM

Amazing sellers point out "spider dial" and try to make a buck off of like this is an awesome watch to purchase! Ya right! Nothing special just plain poor QC!

joe100 · 28 June 2013, 11:12 PM

Yep, damage is damage. Simple

Tony G · 30 June 2013, 04:52 AM

Anyone else care to comment

Beef · 1 July 2013, 01:03 AM

I bought a spider web dial 5513 from kirill specifically to send to RSC and have it switched to luminova for daily wear. Wouldn't have bought it otherwise.

Clay · 1 July 2013, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony G

Anyone else care to comment

It's really a very personal thing...

If you like that look then why not???

But based on my own research, the vast majority of people wouldn't buy one...

Lamone · 2 July 2013, 09:23 AM

I have a spider 16750, which spidered in '84 or '85. As of last week, it is still in perfect shape. There is no signs of flaking and it hasn't changed since the mid 80s.

kpr316 · 2 July 2013, 09:29 AM

My submariner, bought in 88, started the fine spiderweb cracks but I had to hold it under a light at just the right angle to even see it. Nothing flaked off.

Tony G · 27 February 2014, 10:11 AM

If flakes of dial do get into movement can movement be repaired ?

EEParker · 27 February 2014, 11:33 AM

To me it always looks flawed, not like a cool feature. I don't get buying vintage that looks so beaten up.

southtexas · 27 February 2014, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony G

If flakes of dial do get into movement can movement be repaired ?

Did flakes get into your movement?

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soundserious · 27 February 2014, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony G

If flakes of dial do get into movement can movement be repaired ?

Of course, the movement is the least valuable component of a vintage Rolex.

crowncollection · 27 February 2014, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony G

If flakes of dial do get into movement can movement be repaired ?

Of course it just needs a good clean ( service)

The_Walrus · 27 February 2014, 07:48 PM

[QUOTEThe sellers on eBay are the best at this!!!=skprd13;4239731]Amazing sellers point out "spider dial" and try to make a buck off of like this is an awesome watch to purchase! Ya right! Nothing special just plain poor QC![/QUOTE]

Vincent65 · 27 February 2014, 08:25 PM

Although they do not appeal to me, and they are technically 'unstable' and faulty, I would not worry about it. I doubt it will fall apart and damage the movement any time soon, unless you drop it on a hard floor or something. Normal wear should be fine IMHO. If you like it, just wear and enjoy it.

shou.biao.kuang · 8 April 2014, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony G

If flakes of dial do get into movement can movement be repaired ?

I guess it can be repaired. it seems like one of the greatest enemy of movement is H2O! Not fell-off flakes from the dial

anilzat · 8 April 2014, 04:47 PM

After I saw the spider web dial here on the forum and I starting reading about them. What I learned is that they are desireable in some groups of collectors, one would be a Tiffany dial which is proof it is authentic. Some dials cannot be replaced so they would be unable to swap it out. I also learned they are many different types of spider web dials, the paint crackles differently.

Suprageex · 8 April 2014, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oceandweller

Definitely, most of us will agree, it is a damaged dial and there is no cure for it. However, some unscrupulous elements (possibly callous dealers) tried to off-load such a dial as 'spider web', to deceive potential new-comers to the game of vintage Rolex watch collecting.

Usually, the opinion of RSC is difficult to question, since they know their business, inside-out.

I was baffled the first time I saw someone calling their dial that had visibly sustained water damage, a 'leopard' dial

Beelzy · 9 April 2014, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suprageex

I was baffled the first time I saw someone calling their dial that had visibly sustained water damage, a 'leopard' dial

I like the damaged dials with spots that are called "sunburst".....really?

27 June 2013, 01:47 PM	#1
Tony G "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT Posts: 235	Spider Web ( Crazing ) Dials Hello my fellow Rolex enthusiast A thought just came to me . Several years ago I purchased GMT 8.4 serial that would make it production year 1983 - 1985 watch is about 25 years old , with a " spider web " dial . I like them even though Rolex Service Center consider them a defect in the gloss paint used during production and will try to swap them out upon service. 1.) My question is what is the stability of these dials as far as becoming less stable in the future and further cracking, powdering or a "piece falling off" into movement via date window and damaging movement ? 2.) has anyone had any of any bad experiences with these" Spider Web ( Crazing ) " Dials ? all opinions also welcome.

27 June 2013, 01:56 PM	#2
joe100 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,753	I've only seen a handful whic actually started to flake... So far. I consider them damaged and wouldn't buy one myself. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

27 June 2013, 08:36 PM	#5
joe100 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,753	Yes sir, but I've only seen maybe 2. I wouldn't chance it myself. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

27 June 2013, 08:49 PM	#6
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 71,863	I would think that the next logical step after the paint cracking "spiderwebbing" would be to chip or flake off, once that happens it's anybodys guess where those pieces will end up. __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

28 June 2013, 09:11 AM	#8
Frosty "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: So Cal Watch: Rolex GMT 1675 Posts: 5,084	I took my black TT Sub with a "Spyder Dial" to the RSC in Beverly Hills. They said they would not service it unless I replaced the dial. They were worried something would work its way into the movement. I asked them if I could get a discount on the new dial since this was a well known defect. The lady at the RSC said she had never heard of it. Since I had to buy a new dial I decided to go blue. I would never buy a spider web dial again, unless I got a $500 discount (because that is what a new dial cost). __________________ “Anyone can be sarcastic; it takes intelligence to solve a problem!”

27 June 2013, 02:54 PM	#3
Tony G "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT Posts: 235	But with the flaking can it get into the movement via the cyclops glass ?

27 June 2013, 02:55 PM	#4
Tony G "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT Posts: 235	Sorry , I ment to say through date window.

28 June 2013, 08:36 AM	#7
Tony G "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT Posts: 235	Anyone else care to comment ?

28 June 2013, 09:45 AM	#9
Clay Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Up a tree Posts: 4,001	I was recently offered a nice unpolished 666 that had a Spider dial...I passed... Didn't like the look and there was no guarantee that in time the dial would flake ... Not a watch I would purchase...

28 June 2013, 10:05 AM	#11
Tony G "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT Posts: 235	has anyone had a spider web dial that has flaked and damaged movement ?

28 June 2013, 04:12 PM	#13
skprd13 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Tom Location: Kauai Watch: 1675-1680-16750 Posts: 3,346	Amazing sellers point out "spider dial" and try to make a buck off of like this is an awesome watch to purchase! Ya right! Nothing special just plain poor QC!

28 June 2013, 11:12 PM	#14
joe100 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,753	Yep, damage is damage. Simple __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

30 June 2013, 04:52 AM	#15
Tony G "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT Posts: 235	Anyone else care to comment

1 July 2013, 01:03 AM	#16
Beef "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,824	I bought a spider web dial 5513 from kirill specifically to send to RSC and have it switched to luminova for daily wear. Wouldn't have bought it otherwise. __________________ "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." "So you have enemies. Good. You must have stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill

2 July 2013, 09:23 AM	#18
Lamone Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NYC Watch: ya mawt! Posts: 3,448	I have a spider 16750, which spidered in '84 or '85. As of last week, it is still in perfect shape. There is no signs of flaking and it hasn't changed since the mid 80s.

2 July 2013, 09:29 AM	#19
kpr316 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Kelly Location: Florida Posts: 5	My submariner, bought in 88, started the fine spiderweb cracks but I had to hold it under a light at just the right angle to even see it. Nothing flaked off.

27 February 2014, 10:11 AM	#20
Tony G "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Watch: GMT Posts: 235	If flakes of dial do get into movement can movement be repaired ?

27 February 2014, 11:33 AM	#21
EEParker "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: Parker Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 337	To me it always looks flawed, not like a cool feature. I don't get buying vintage that looks so beaten up.

27 February 2014, 07:48 PM	#25
The_Walrus "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: George Location: Sydney Watch: 5513 Posts: 1,104	[QUOTEThe sellers on eBay are the best at this!!!=skprd13;4239731]Amazing sellers point out "spider dial" and try to make a buck off of like this is an awesome watch to purchase! Ya right! Nothing special just plain poor QC![/QUOTE]

27 February 2014, 08:25 PM	#26
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,297	Although they do not appeal to me, and they are technically 'unstable' and faulty, I would not worry about it. I doubt it will fall apart and damage the movement any time soon, unless you drop it on a hard floor or something. Normal wear should be fine IMHO. If you like it, just wear and enjoy it.

8 April 2014, 04:47 PM	#28
anilzat Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: John Williams Location: Alaska outback Watch: GMT Posts: 1,051	After I saw the spider web dial here on the forum and I starting reading about them. What I learned is that they are desireable in some groups of collectors, one would be a Tiffany dial which is proof it is authentic. Some dials cannot be replaced so they would be unable to swap it out. I also learned they are many different types of spider web dials, the paint crackles differently.

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