1675 Help Needed

[papazulu]

Hi all, I've been offered this 1675, is it legitimate? I know the GMT hand has been changed, but does anyone see anything else?
Thanks for your inputs...

Jimmy

[1675-David]

Dial looks too "neat" and I would not be comfortable with it. I don't claim to be an expert and I'm sure our resident 1675 guru Springer will put you ( and me ) in the picture

[Vincent65]

I'm not certain about the dial print - spacing, crown, font etc. but I'm not an expert.

[springer]

Gilt dials, when photographed, rarely if ever, captures the true color of the gilt fonts and markings on the dial. Normally, the color is barely detectable as gilt. Also, this particular vintage dial normally reads "OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED CHRONOMETER."

Many parts have been replaced on this watch. The movement also appears to have suffered from damage in the past.

[papazulu]

What about these?

[vcnyls]

I'm no expert on these but shouldn't the first one at the 6:00 read "SWISS - T <25" not just "SWISS?" That's what my 1675 dial says. I've seen others say that when it just says "SWISS," that indicates a replacement/service bezel...

[papazulu]

That's why I'm asking...

[papazulu]

That's why I'm asking...
http://www.superlativetime.com/produ...gilt-dial-1961

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/role...clamation_dial

[springer]

Originally Posted by vcnyls

I'm no expert on these but shouldn't the first one at the 6:00 read "SWISS - T <25" not just "SWISS?" That's what my 1675 dial says. I've seen others say that when it just says "SWISS," that indicates a replacement/service bezel...

The older dials read SWISS.

[springer]

Originally Posted by papazulu

That's why I'm asking...
http://www.superlativetime.com/produ...gilt-dial-1961

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/role...clamation_dial

Look at the alignment of the letters in your two dials listed here, then compare it with the photos of the dial in your first post. They are not the same.

[vcnyls]

Originally Posted by springer

The older dials read SWISS.

Interesting. Goot to know. Thanks!

[mike]

Originally Posted by springer

Gilt dials, when photographed, rarely if ever, captures the true color of the gilt fonts and markings on the dial. Normally, the color is barely detectable as gilt. Also, this particular vintage dial normally reads "OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED CHRONOMETER."

Many parts have been replaced on this watch. The movement also appears to have suffered from damage in the past.

Agreed. At that era an OCC dial is what I would look for.

[toph]

At least one hand replaced... And they are all a perfect match,just like the dial.. Isn't that amazing?
And the movement looks like it's been damaged to some extent.

[Paul]

.... although the one posted by the OP is just odd IMHO.

Back in 2011, Orchi (nice fella) started collating 1675 info and put a list together of known early 1675 watches.
We know the OCC era was fleeting but Orchi's research suggested that SCOC dials were being seen as early as 1960.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=191315

.... and since that work was done, we've certainly seen a few 1960 watches with SCOC dials pop up for sale ....

http://www.sheartime.com/product/196...ter-ref-1675-2

http://www.newturfers.com/vb/forum/m...-1960-fat-case

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/rol...-a-958325.html


The early '60s was an odd time for Rolex ... OCC dials .... SCOC dials .... underline dials .... exclamation marks ... etc
I'd avoid a watch that needs explaining but wouldn't reject a 1960 watch just based on its SCOC dial

[nycpassat]

The Oyster Perpetual font looks funny

[dstacy]

Originally Posted by Paul

.... although the one posted by the OP is just odd IMHO.

Back in 2011, Orchi (nice fella) started collating 1675 info and put a list together of known early 1675 watches.
We know the OCC era was fleeting but Orchi's research suggested that SCOC dials were being seen as early as 1960.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=191315

.... and since that work was done, we've certainly seen a few 1960 watches with SCOC dials pop up for sale ....

http://www.sheartime.com/product/196...ter-ref-1675-2

http://www.newturfers.com/vb/forum/m...-1960-fat-case

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/rol...-a-958325.html


The early '60s was an odd time for Rolex ... OCC dials .... SCOC dials .... underline dials .... exclamation marks ... etc
I'd avoid a watch that needs explaining but wouldn't reject a 1960 watch just based on its SCOC dial

Mine is marked "IV 60" and has an SCOC dial.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Paul

.... although the one posted by the OP is just odd IMHO.

Back in 2011, Orchi (nice fella) started collating 1675 info and put a list together of known early 1675 watches.
We know the OCC era was fleeting but Orchi's research suggested that SCOC dials were being seen as early as 1960.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=191315

.... and since that work was done, we've certainly seen a few 1960 watches with SCOC dials pop up for sale ....

http://www.sheartime.com/product/196...ter-ref-1675-2

http://www.newturfers.com/vb/forum/m...-1960-fat-case

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/rol...-a-958325.html


The early '60s was an odd time for Rolex ... OCC dials .... SCOC dials .... underline dials .... exclamation marks ... etc
I'd avoid a watch that needs explaining but wouldn't reject a 1960 watch just based on its SCOC dial

Hello Paul,

Regarding your comment that the dial in the first post appears "odd" is because it is not genuine Rolex. Also, if you look closer at the photo and the minute hand, on one end you can see the paint coming off where they tried to tint newer hands. In actuality, the complete watch is odd.

[papazulu]

Thank's for you help on this one...It's a minefield out there ;)