Rolex Chronographe Anti-Magnetique

[Zingari]

Colleagues I'm looking for some advice on this watch I've recently acquired. I presume it is the forerunner to the Daytona but model number, year of manufacture and other details I'm at a loss.

The watch has been authenticated by RSC but given its age they couold not go into detail as it is more for a vintage watch trader/collector.

In terms of condition, the watch runs and keeps good time, there is hardly any wear to the case. The only 'damage' appears to be to the back plate. The back looks like it is a push on type and at some time in thr past when it has been removed a third of the 'lip' has broken away so the back no longer fits snugly to the case. I doubt very much this can be repaired?

These early watches are quite small and as nice as it is it is not really my cup of tea

Any advice/info appreciated. I'll try to get some more pics up when I get chance.

[pdoukas]

Interesting that the RSC can authentic it but not give you any details about the watch. Love threads like this ........who's going to be the first?

[adam78]

Well, that's a poorly-refinished dial...Would really need to see photos of inner and outer case back and movement to make any more judgments.

[Zingari]

Thanks so far chaps. Managed a few rough pics if these help. I would say RSC London were happy to advise the watch was a Rolex but given the background/set up of these boutique stores were unable/unwilling to spend any time further researching.





The words out of focus to the side and base of the central crest read GENEVA - SWISS -PATENTED

[Zingari]

Originally Posted by adam78

Well, that's a poorly-refinished dial...Would really need to see photos of inner and outer case back and movement to make any more judgments.

Adam, I'm no further with identifying the age of the watch. But interestingly I emailed a photo to a specialist dealer in Belgium who also suggested the dial had been repainted To educate me further how would I know this is the case?

The dealer also suggested I would get the model number from the case back but as you can see all I have to go on is #144

[andromeda160]

Originally Posted by Zingari

Adam, I'm no further with identifying the age of the watch. But interestingly I emailed a photo to a specialist dealer in Belgium who also suggested the dial had been repainted To educate me further how would I know this is the case?

The dealer also suggested I would get the model number from the case back but as you can see all I have to go on is #144

Serial and model numbers were usually on the back of the caseback. Although I have some concerns as to if its even authentic, could you post some more clear shots of the movement and inner and outter caseback?

The lume on the dial is far too clean, and theres no discoloration or fading any signs of aging to the lume.

[Mark020]

Serious doubts about this one.

[adam78]

Really, at the very least the dial is quite definitely refinished (devaluing it tremendously). The rest is questionable. Best to avoid this one.

[Fredrik]

There are plenty of counterfeit Rolex chronographs, all having bad dial and a generic movement with that specific bridge(?) that says Rolex. Unless you are absolutely sure that this in fact is a Rolex I would advise you to avoid it. I am not an expert and can only say that the bad dial and the missing serial number are bad signs.

[Mark020]

Which RSC authenticated it anyway?

[andromeda160]

http://www.passions.com.sg/v2/watch/...onograph-steel

Appears to be a fake 3484. Movement finishing is nowhere near that of the one I posted a link for (not all the markings are the same either) , haven't found the same dial yet, and suspicious caseback markings lead me to believe this is not authentic.

[Zingari]

Guys - Information so far very much appreciated.

The story of the watch is somewhat interesting. My friend bought the watch in good faith from a private seller knowing very little about it. He did however buy on the pretext the watch was genuine and after he bought it his wife went to Rolex Authorised Dealer (I won't mention the name here) in London to validate it. My understanding is they told her the watch appeared genuine but with the damage it was probably only good for spares They recognised the watch saying that someone had been in a few days earlier asking similar questions - presumably the seller!

My suggestion was to go back to the seller and ask for his money back but he's currently chalking this up to experience at the moment. However if the watch is not genuine I think he has a strong case. Whilst he has a vast watch collection, vintage is not his area and has asked me if I will assist with trying to find out more about the watch or finding a buyer to recoup some of his costs. If the strong belief is the watch is fake then back to the seller we will go.

I've added some more pics to assist and the thumbnails will allow you to magnify the image. Damage you can see in the pics relates to the lip on the caseback preventing it from securing to the case.

[andromeda160]

Originally Posted by Zingari

Guys - Information so far very much appreciated.

The story of the watch is somewhat interesting. My friend bought the watch in good faith from a private seller knowing very little about it. He did however buy on the pretext the watch was genuine and after he bought it his wife went to Rolex Authorised Dealer (I won't mention the name here) in London to validate it. My understanding is they told her the watch appeared genuine but with the damage it was probably only good for spares They recognised the watch saying that someone had been in a few days earlier asking similar questions - presumably the seller!

My suggestion was to go back to the seller and ask for his money back but he's currently chalking this up to experience at the moment. However if the watch is not genuine I think he has a strong case. Whilst he has a vast watch collection, vintage is not his area and has asked me if I will assist with trying to find out more about the watch or finding a buyer to recoup some of his costs. If the strong belief is the watch is fake then back to the seller we will go.

I've added some more pics to assist and the thumbnails will allow you to magnify the image. Damage you can see in the pics relates to the lip on the caseback preventing it from securing to the case.

I knew this watch was familiar.... she's been posted here before.


http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=379108

Whoever sold your friend the watch in the first place knew what they were doing I believe. I'd be demanding a refund. This is fraudulent not "experience"

[Rickster]

Great thread. Great service you guys do here

[Watchurself]

What's up with the lume on the 5 o'clock marker in the first pic? Doesn't show up on the others however.