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NolaCenturion · 29 March 2006, 11:54 AM

I recently saw a picture of a Rolex daytona up for sale on EBay. The bezel was spun around, so that the "60" was not on top. Isn't this bezel fixed? If the bezel is not properly aligned, this should be a warning sign of a problem, no?

Gedanken · 29 March 2006, 01:03 PM

Welcome aboard, Nola!

The bezel of the Daytona is not graded in minute markings as it is in the Sub; instead it is marked as a tachymeter. The markings should not say 10, 20 30 and so on, but should start from 400, decreasing in a clockwise direction and unevenly marked. If it looks like a diving watch's bezel, it can't be the real thing.

dman · 29 March 2006, 01:38 PM

James is spot on, but I would like to welcome you to TRF!! Glad to have you here and posting. Just jump in the fun.

C.J. · 29 March 2006, 04:17 PM

James and Daren answered your question already, so let me just welcome you to TRF

We're glad to have ya

JJ Irani · 29 March 2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NolaCenturion

I recently saw a picture of a Rolex daytona up for sale on EBay. The bezel was spun around, so that the "60" was not on top. Isn't this bezel fixed? If the bezel is not properly aligned, this should be a warning sign of a problem, no?

Hi Nola,

Welcome to TRF.

Here's what a real Daytona bezel should look like. Anything different, must be a POS FAKE!!

Cheers - JJ

padi56 · 29 March 2006, 06:17 PM

Welcome to TRF Nola and yes the bezel is fixed

NolaCenturion · 29 March 2006, 07:07 PM

Thanks to all. I've been wearing the same blue dial ss/gold submariner for 17 years now. My son has always admired it, and I have decided to give it to him (a surprise) as a college graduation gift next month. I can swap off between my Omega Moonwatch Chrono and a Breitling Colt but thought I'd replace it with a Daytona. Having looked at that Sub a hundred times a day for all those years, I'm quite familiar with it, but wasn't sure about the Daytona. Looking around for a reasonable price on a used and saw this one, but was suspect due to the bezel issue. Thanks again.

NolaCenturion · 29 March 2006, 07:11 PM

One more questionn I hope someone can answer. It has become evident to me that Daytonas come in different movements, the latest ("In-House" I think), and I have seen a few Zenith movement watches for sale. Is there a serious downside to the Zenith movement that I should know about, or any other caveat as to earlier movements that should be considered before
purchase? Love to buy new, but probably isn't going to be practical. Thanks.,

padi56 · 29 March 2006, 07:31 PM

Well myself prefer the dial lay out on the Zenith movement Daytona.As for the movement its one of the more highly regarded chronograph movements The Zenith "El Primero" running at 36000 bph,it was so highly regarded it was used by Rolex in the Daytona for more than a decade, albeit slowed to 28800 bph. Rolex didn't stop using the Zenith because they had developed their own movement, they stopped using it because Zenith couldn't/wouldn't supply in greater quantity. And Rolex HAD to make their own Chrono movement before they used chrono movements from ETA Valjoux.The Zenith calibre 3019 was introduced in 1969 and still used today in several brands today,unmodified 36000 bph. And I'm pretty sure if there were problems with the hi-beat movements, 35 years is long enough for them to manifest themselves,a rock solid reliable movement.And IMO the Zenith S.S Daytona will be quite collectable in the future.

Prince · 29 March 2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Well myself prefer the dial lay out on the Zenith movement Daytona.As for the movement its one of the more highly regarded chronograph movements The Zenith "El Primero" running at 36000 bph,it was so highly regarded it was used by Rolex in the Daytona for more than a decade, albeit slowed to 28800 bph. Rolex didn't stop using the Zenith because they had developed their own movement, they stopped using it because Zenith couldn't/wouldn't supply in greater quantity. And Rolex HAD to make their own Chrono movement before they used chrono movements from ETA Valjoux.The Zenith calibre 3019 was introduced in 1969 and still used today in several brands today,unmodified 36000 bph. And I'm pretty sure if there were problems with the hi-beat movements, 35 years is long enough for them to manifest themselves,a rock solid reliable movement.And IMO the Zenith S.S Daytona will be quite collectable in the future.

Yes!!! Yes indeed!!! Thanks for the wonderful comments, padi. Could not agree more!!! Pic of my Zenith-powered Daytona below, of course!!!

And most important - WELCOME TO THE FORUM, NOLA!

padi56 · 29 March 2006, 10:25 PM

Very nice example Allan,not a real lover of gold in watches,but would sooner pay for a T/Tone at list prices,that the over-inflated prices for a S.S Daytona.

Prince · 29 March 2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Very nice example Allan,not a real lover of gold in watches,but would sooner pay for a T/Tone at list prices,that the over-inflated prices for a S.S Daytona.

Thanks, padi, and again I couldn't agree more about the outlandish prices for a SS Daytona. I get GOLD, and still pay a heck of a lot less. And the "El Primero" movement is a keeper, for sure.

BTW, nice bit of editing on your post that I quoted, AND the quote in my post!

Rockrolex · 29 March 2006, 11:34 PM

Let me add my welcome to TRF, Nola. Glad you found our friendly little madhouse. Stick around and jump right in.

As for the Daytona, most of the others have answered your questions. The only thing I will add is the way to tell the difference between the in-house and Zenith movements is the location of the 3 and 9 subdials. On the Zenith movement, the dials are centered on the diameter between the 3 and 9 (see Prince's pic). On the in-house movement, the dial centers are raised a mm or so above the diameter (see JJ's pic). Otherwise, both are rock solid movements, worthy of the Rolex name.

Good luck on your quest. If you want the cat's meow in Daytona's check out the WG Meteorite with black (or brown) deployment strap.

Prince · 30 March 2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockrolex

...If you want the cat's meow in Daytona's check out the WG Meteorite with black (or brown) deployment strap.[/IMG]

"Meow" indeed!!!

padi56 · 30 March 2006, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

"Meow" indeed!!!

You have my favourite watch as your avatar,always been a fan of the vintage prince.

Prince · 30 March 2006, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

You have my favourite watch as your avatar,always been a fan of the vintage prince.

One day, your Prince will come!

JJ Irani · 31 March 2006, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

One day, your Prince will come!

...I'd much prefer some princess!

29 March 2006, 11:54 AM	#1
NolaCenturion "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA, Posts: 6	Daytona Question I recently saw a picture of a Rolex daytona up for sale on EBay. The bezel was spun around, so that the "60" was not on top. Isn't this bezel fixed? If the bezel is not properly aligned, this should be a warning sign of a problem, no?

29 March 2006, 01:03 PM	#2
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	Welcome aboard, Nola! The bezel of the Daytona is not graded in minute markings as it is in the Sub; instead it is marked as a tachymeter. The markings should not say 10, 20 30 and so on, but should start from 400, decreasing in a clockwise direction and unevenly marked. If it looks like a diving watch's bezel, it can't be the real thing. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

29 March 2006, 01:38 PM	#3
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,583	James is spot on, but I would like to welcome you to TRF!! Glad to have you here and posting. Just jump in the fun. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

29 March 2006, 04:17 PM	#4
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	James and Daren answered your question already, so let me just welcome you to TRF We're glad to have ya __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there Last edited by C.J.; 30 March 2006 at 04:29 PM..

29 March 2006, 06:17 PM	#6
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,553	Welcome to TRF Nola and yes the bezel is fixed __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

29 March 2006, 07:07 PM	#7
NolaCenturion "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA, Posts: 6	Thanks to all. I've been wearing the same blue dial ss/gold submariner for 17 years now. My son has always admired it, and I have decided to give it to him (a surprise) as a college graduation gift next month. I can swap off between my Omega Moonwatch Chrono and a Breitling Colt but thought I'd replace it with a Daytona. Having looked at that Sub a hundred times a day for all those years, I'm quite familiar with it, but wasn't sure about the Daytona. Looking around for a reasonable price on a used and saw this one, but was suspect due to the bezel issue. Thanks again.

29 March 2006, 07:11 PM	#8
NolaCenturion "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA, Posts: 6	One more questionn I hope someone can answer. It has become evident to me that Daytonas come in different movements, the latest ("In-House" I think), and I have seen a few Zenith movement watches for sale. Is there a serious downside to the Zenith movement that I should know about, or any other caveat as to earlier movements that should be considered before purchase? Love to buy new, but probably isn't going to be practical. Thanks.,

29 March 2006, 07:31 PM	#9
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,553	Well myself prefer the dial lay out on the Zenith movement Daytona.As for the movement its one of the more highly regarded chronograph movements The Zenith "El Primero" running at 36000 bph,it was so highly regarded it was used by Rolex in the Daytona for more than a decade, albeit slowed to 28800 bph. Rolex didn't stop using the Zenith because they had developed their own movement, they stopped using it because Zenith couldn't/wouldn't supply in greater quantity. And Rolex HAD to make their own Chrono movement before they used chrono movements from ETA Valjoux.The Zenith calibre 3019 was introduced in 1969 and still used today in several brands today,unmodified 36000 bph. And I'm pretty sure if there were problems with the hi-beat movements, 35 years is long enough for them to manifest themselves,a rock solid reliable movement.And IMO the Zenith S.S Daytona will be quite collectable in the future. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

29 March 2006, 10:25 PM	#11
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,553	Very nice example Allan,not a real lover of gold in watches,but would sooner pay for a T/Tone at list prices,that the over-inflated prices for a S.S Daytona. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

29 March 2006, 11:34 PM	#13
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,652	Let me add my welcome to TRF, Nola. Glad you found our friendly little madhouse. Stick around and jump right in. As for the Daytona, most of the others have answered your questions. The only thing I will add is the way to tell the difference between the in-house and Zenith movements is the location of the 3 and 9 subdials. On the Zenith movement, the dials are centered on the diameter between the 3 and 9 (see Prince's pic). On the in-house movement, the dial centers are raised a mm or so above the diameter (see JJ's pic). Otherwise, both are rock solid movements, worthy of the Rolex name. Good luck on your quest. If you want the cat's meow in Daytona's check out the WG Meteorite with black (or brown) deployment strap. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

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