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Mystro · 5 March 2018, 01:10 AM

I noticed DavidSW had two new unworn LVc in stock but one was $400.00 more. That had me do some investigating and it appears that a new/unworn with all plastic in place is worth $400 more than the same watch with the playstic removed by the AD. That is a heck of a premium for plastic stickers but it does matter.

Stickers removed
https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-11...-submariner-6/

Stickers not removed

https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-11...-submariner-4/

I guess I am glad I kept my stickers.

WJGESQ · 5 March 2018, 01:11 AM

Ha. Not for me. Stickers have no value if you plan on wearing it. If your flipping maybe.

piratepress · 5 March 2018, 01:12 AM

Thanks for posting. It's certainly an interesting comparison.

For me, and given the total cost, I'd pay the extra money for the stickers.

brandrea · 5 March 2018, 01:14 AM

It would make zero difference to me, espsecially if it was a watch I wanted

Wcdhtwn · 5 March 2018, 01:15 AM

Stickers mean the watch has always been protected from scratches, which is worth more. The plastic itself has no value.

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FTX I · 5 March 2018, 01:17 AM

You sure it's the only difference? Maybe the one without stickers has someone's name on the card and the other you can put your name but I don't know. Anyways with the crazy asking price for the watch 400 bucks for a bunch of plastic is nothing.

Mystro · 5 March 2018, 01:18 AM

I wanted to post this because we had a forum member post a thread last week that had his stickers on and went back to his AD after the sale for a bracelet resizing. The AD took his stickers off even though he specifically requested they do not remove them. We were trying to access a value at that time. Apparently real market value for stickers is $400. DavidSW is one of the best and most trusted source for what the market is doing.

JR16 · 5 March 2018, 01:20 AM

An extra 3.6% for a totally protected unworn watch will be worth it for a lot of buyers . I never understood though why some people keep their stickers after peeling them off . It’s not like the watch can be re-stickered w those stickers without looking like a complete mess (correct me if I’m wrong...)

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tng11 · 5 March 2018, 01:20 AM

Stickers are only worth so much to the extent that a new buyer will know the watch has had some of its surfaces protected from scratches compared to a destickered one. Once the watch is sized and worn, any value of them evaporates.

With my new SD43 the first order of business was to pull off most of the stickers - they have zero value to me as I intended on keeping and wearing it (I have left the caseback one on for now.)

tng11 · 5 March 2018, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystro

I wanted to post this because we had a forum member post a thread last week that had his stickers on and went back to his AD after the sale for a bracelet resizing. The AD took his stickers off even though he specifically requested they do not remove them. We were trying to access a value at that time. Apparently real market value for stickers is $400. DavidSW is one of the best and most trusted source for what the market is doing.

In that case, the OP was bringing his watch to be resized, and it was to be worn, albeit occasionally. Once that screwdriver tip touched the link, any value of the stickers evaporated as it could no longer be called BNIB and became LNIB, mint, or whatever.

A watch that has been worn once even with the stickers on is no longer BNIB.

My position is that at the BNIB stage, stickers and no stickers might have a difference in value, but once that stage is passed there should be no difference.

Mystro · 5 March 2018, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR16

An extra 3.6% for a totally protected unworn watch will be worth it for a lot of buyers . I never understood though why some people keep their stickers after peeling them off . It’s not like the watch can be re-stickered w those stickers without looking like a complete mess (correct me if I’m wrong...)

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It’s to prove the stickers were on the watch at the original purchase. All items that came with a brand new watch are valued by a lot of buyers. The definition of a “complete box set” has been getting more specific as Rolex has moved from watch to commodity. OCD buyers demand everything. Panerai is exactly the same. I don’t agree or disagree with this logic but it seems to be the way the WIS community is migrating. It cost nothing to save the stickers and document them so why not throw them in the box with all the hang tags, bezel protector, etc..

ap1 · 5 March 2018, 01:27 AM

That’s good due diligence by you

Wcdhtwn · 5 March 2018, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tng11

A watch that has been worn once even with the stickers on is no longer BNIB.

Do you count a Rolex that’s been tried on at an AD, but not purchased, in this?

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JR16 · 5 March 2018, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystro

It’s to prove the stickers were on the watch at the original purchase. All items that came with a brand new watch are valued by a lot of buyers. The definition of a “complete box set” has been getting more specific as Rolex has moved from watch to commodity. OCD buyers demand everything. Panerai is exactly the same. I don’t agree or disagree with this logic but it seems to be the way the WIS community is migrating. It cost nothing to save the stickers and document them so why not throw them in the box with all the hang tags, bezel protector, etc..

Good point I didn’t consider - thanks !

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CDNWatchNut · 5 March 2018, 01:38 AM

For $400...I'll take the one without stickers please.

Mystro · 5 March 2018, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CDNWatchNut

For $400...I'll take the one without stickers please.

I would as well and DavidSW knows how OCD buyers are and if he represents it as new/unworn, it would be perfect, free of even the finest micro hair scratches on the bracelet.
At least now we can assign a market value for stickers. You can bet trade-in or flipping new stock will be reflected by the $400 sticker on watch value.

tng11 · 5 March 2018, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wcdhtwn

Do you count a Rolex that’s been tried on at an AD, but not purchased, in this?

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Not generally (I could have been more clear and said "resized and worn"), but I guess that depends on the individual watch. I've seen some watches with stickers that have been handled pretty rough, especially PM pieces sitting in AD cases that I would not accept as BNIB.

CDNWatchNut · 5 March 2018, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystro

I would too and DavidSW knows how OCD buyers are and if he represents it as new/unworn, it would be perfect, free of even the finest micro hair scratches on the bracelet.

Exactly! But I do get it, for some its an important distinction...purely psychological though.

Mystro · 5 March 2018, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDNWatchNut

Exactly! But I do get it, for some its an important distinction...purely psychological though.

We WIS are a bunch of crazies. Its a line in the sand how far the meter pegs but if you have your original stickers saved when selling a watch, some WIS will value them above one that doesnt.

SeaAndSky · 5 March 2018, 01:49 AM

It’s only worth more if one is silly enough to actually pay an extra four hundred dollars for plastic stickers.

Mystro · 5 March 2018, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaAndSky

It’s only worth more if one is silly enough to actually pay an extra four hundred dollars for plastic stickers.

We have past sanity and "practical logic" a long time ago on the forum. This is now OCD Thunderdome.

I am waiting for..."Do my bracelet screws line up" thread.

CDNWatchNut · 5 March 2018, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystro

We have past sanity and "practical logic" a long time ago on the forum. This is now OCD Thunderdome.

I am waiting for..."Do my bracelet screws line up" thread.

Don't give the crazies any more ideas!

FB3783 · 5 March 2018, 02:00 AM

To each his own I guess. You would think if someone wanted a new stickered and unmolested Rolex they would just buy from an AD. The money is about the same as the professional flippers or in my case was less. Mine came right out of the safe in the coffin. That should be worth a couple hundred more but I can’t duct tape it to my wrist like that.

FB3783 · 5 March 2018, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystro

We have past sanity and "practical logic" a long time ago on the forum. This is now OCD Thunderdome.

I am waiting for..."Do my bracelet screws line up" thread.

Is my watch worth less if they don’t?

joli160 · 5 March 2018, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CDNWatchNut

For $400...I'll take the one without stickers please.

I would not

tng11 · 5 March 2018, 02:12 AM

It's kind of like sealed vs. unsealed watches in the Patek world. Sealed generally commands a premium, especially for out of production pieces where the difference is thousands or more. It never made sense to me to pay a premium because if you intend to wear the watch, the premium evaporates when you cut the seal. I get that sealed may indicate the watch is virgin and untouched, but some unscrupulous sellers have been known to reseal pieces. In the Rolex world, that is also possible too - fakers can fake entire watches, how hard could stickers be?

derklink · 5 March 2018, 02:13 AM

Is DavidSW a trustworthy seller? Did anybody here buy from him/wire him $?

Mystro · 5 March 2018, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derklink

Is DavidSW a trustworthy seller? Did anybody here buy from him/wire him $?

Yes and fully recommended. He knows a heck of alot more than any AD I have dealt with.

doboy007 · 5 March 2018, 02:17 AM

I’ve seen differences of $1K+ for stickers on PM models.

joli160 · 5 March 2018, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by doboy007

I’ve seen differences of $1K+ for stickers on PM models.

That might seem crazy, but still so when I like an unworn brand new watch ?
I do not want a watch that has been showcased or a customer return.
A watch with all stickers in place is the way to go imo and I will gladly pay the slight premium.
1K difference on a PM Model is worth it for me

5 March 2018, 01:10 AM	#1
Mystro 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: The Mystro ;) Location: Central Pa. Posts: 14,852	Here is a example what stickers are worth on a new watch. I noticed DavidSW had two new unworn LVc in stock but one was $400.00 more. That had me do some investigating and it appears that a new/unworn with all plastic in place is worth $400 more than the same watch with the playstic removed by the AD. That is a heck of a premium for plastic stickers but it does matter. Stickers removed https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-11...-submariner-6/ Stickers not removed https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-11...-submariner-4/ I guess I am glad I kept my stickers. __________________

5 March 2018, 01:18 AM	#7
Mystro 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: The Mystro ;) Location: Central Pa. Posts: 14,852	I wanted to post this because we had a forum member post a thread last week that had his stickers on and went back to his AD after the sale for a bracelet resizing. The AD took his stickers off even though he specifically requested they do not remove them. We were trying to access a value at that time. Apparently real market value for stickers is $400. DavidSW is one of the best and most trusted source for what the market is doing. __________________

5 March 2018, 02:17 AM	#29
doboy007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: SD, CA Watch: BLNR/LVc/SkyD/ND41 Posts: 2,519	Here is a example what stickers are worth on a new watch. I’ve seen differences of $1K+ for stickers on PM models.

5 March 2018, 01:11 AM	#2
WJGESQ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 3,753	Ha. Not for me. Stickers have no value if you plan on wearing it. If your flipping maybe.

5 March 2018, 01:12 AM	#3
piratepress "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Mobile, AL Watch: BLNR Posts: 746	Thanks for posting. It's certainly an interesting comparison. For me, and given the total cost, I'd pay the extra money for the stickers.

5 March 2018, 01:14 AM	#4
brandrea 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 74,427	It would make zero difference to me, espsecially if it was a watch I wanted

5 March 2018, 01:15 AM	#5
Wcdhtwn "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Houston Watch: SkyD, SD43, GMT2 Posts: 4,980	Stickers mean the watch has always been protected from scratches, which is worth more. The plastic itself has no value. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

5 March 2018, 01:17 AM	#6
FTX I "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Flavio Location: N/A Posts: 14,654	You sure it's the only difference? Maybe the one without stickers has someone's name on the card and the other you can put your name but I don't know. Anyways with the crazy asking price for the watch 400 bucks for a bunch of plastic is nothing.

5 March 2018, 01:20 AM	#8
JR16 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 6,197	An extra 3.6% for a totally protected unworn watch will be worth it for a lot of buyers . I never understood though why some people keep their stickers after peeling them off . It’s not like the watch can be re-stickered w those stickers without looking like a complete mess (correct me if I’m wrong...) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

5 March 2018, 01:20 AM	#9
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,629	Stickers are only worth so much to the extent that a new buyer will know the watch has had some of its surfaces protected from scratches compared to a destickered one. Once the watch is sized and worn, any value of them evaporates. With my new SD43 the first order of business was to pull off most of the stickers - they have zero value to me as I intended on keeping and wearing it (I have left the caseback one on for now.)

5 March 2018, 01:27 AM	#12
ap1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,152	That’s good due diligence by you

5 March 2018, 01:38 AM	#15
CDNWatchNut "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Juan Location: Sherwood Park, Ab Watch: 114060 Posts: 1,509	For $400...I'll take the one without stickers please.

5 March 2018, 01:49 AM	#20
SeaAndSky "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wild Blue Yonder Watch: 116710 LN Posts: 1,613	It’s only worth more if one is silly enough to actually pay an extra four hundred dollars for plastic stickers.

5 March 2018, 02:00 AM	#23
FB3783 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Frank B Location: Arizona Watch: Vintage GMT Posts: 40	To each his own I guess. You would think if someone wanted a new stickered and unmolested Rolex they would just buy from an AD. The money is about the same as the professional flippers or in my case was less. Mine came right out of the safe in the coffin. That should be worth a couple hundred more but I can’t duct tape it to my wrist like that.

5 March 2018, 02:12 AM	#26
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,629	It's kind of like sealed vs. unsealed watches in the Patek world. Sealed generally commands a premium, especially for out of production pieces where the difference is thousands or more. It never made sense to me to pay a premium because if you intend to wear the watch, the premium evaporates when you cut the seal. I get that sealed may indicate the watch is virgin and untouched, but some unscrupulous sellers have been known to reseal pieces. In the Rolex world, that is also possible too - fakers can fake entire watches, how hard could stickers be?

5 March 2018, 02:13 AM	#27
derklink 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Location Location Watch: amacallit Posts: 597	Is DavidSW a trustworthy seller? Did anybody here buy from him/wire him $?

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