Patek pathway to Nautilus

[singaporepatek]

What amount of purchase history is good enough to get allocated Nautilus in today’s market from AD? For people on here with a Nautilus new from AD, what other Pateks did you first buy before getting offered opportunity to buy Nautilus? Sorry for my post English not my first language.

[Ichiran]

Suggest you speak with your AD on this. The answer varies from one AD to another.

[Apheaven]

Originally Posted by singaporepatek

What amount of purchase history is good enough to get allocated Nautilus in today’s market from AD? For people on here with a Nautilus new from AD, what other Pateks did you first buy before getting offered opportunity to buy Nautilus? Sorry for my post English not my first language.

The answer to this will vary tremendously by where someone is located in the world and further where the AD is located...the law of supply and demand will vary within the different geographic areas.


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[WatchLurv]

In Singapore... Probably need to clean out everything in their showcase.

[singaporepatek]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Suggest you speak with your AD on this. The answer varies from one AD to another.

I did. They are vague and won’t give straight answer. So I’m hoping to hear everyone else’s experience to just get a good idea.

[santiago]

I waited about 6 months after I asked my AD. But my relationship goes back a decade. 5 Patek's, 11 Rolex's and lots of jewelry. Loyalty works both ways

[singaporepatek]

Originally Posted by santiago

I waited about 6 months after I asked my AD. But my relationship goes back a decade. 5 Patek's, 11 Rolex's and lots of jewelry. Loyalty works both ways

Which Patek?

[martinr]

My first Patek was a 5711 blue dial from an an AD. But that was in 2014. Paid in full in August, received in November. First purchase from that AD.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by singaporepatek

I did. They are vague and won’t give straight answer. So I’m hoping to hear everyone else’s experience to just get a good idea.

What kind of vague answer do they give you? Which Nautilus are you looking for, and what have you purchased from them so far?

Hourglass or Cortina or Emperor?

[ts3]

Couple of thoughts:

1) Each case is different and the experience of others won't help much.

2) It depends a lot on where you are and where your AD is.

In Europe it has been hard to get a Nautilus for many years if not always, in the US the craze started later, not sure about the timing in Asia.

3) War stories from years ago are meaningless today.

I'll give you mine anyway. Wempe in my city in Europe basically said no when I wanted to get on the wait list for a 5711 blue as a first time buyer in late 2015. In contrast the AD in my small home town accepted me on the list after a thorough interview. In a pretty transparent process they could always tell me where I was on the list and provide an idea when to expect delivery. After a 2.5 year wait I got a 5711 blue w/o purchase history in mid-2018.

4) I'd rather go preowned than develop a purchase history or accept bundling.

[Fat_ninja]

Bring a 9 year old

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Bring a 9 year old

You getting your RM soon?

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

You getting your RM soon?

Yes... suppose to be Dec. my guy is waiting on his last deliveries but could spill into Jan.

Also chose not to buy the 33-02. Wife didn’t like the black tpt case

[Newbie@SIN]

In Singapore? Even an Aquanaut is hard to come by now.

2 years ago still possible (got mine - white dial - in April 2017) without any purchase history of any Patek piece, now...almost impossible unless you are willing to wait a long time & of course develop a relationship with Patek at one of the 3 ADs listed above.

[locutus49]

Patek boutique in Beverly Hills (one of the very few boutiques in the US) told me that it is so hard to get an Aquanaut that they threw the five-year waiting list out the window, there is no longer any list no matter who you are. But if one came into their store I am sure it would go to a Hollywood star.

[Joey5622]

I wish they would make it easier for us to purchase their watches... basically only resellers benefit from them...

[qrc36]

Originally Posted by Newbie@SIN

In Singapore? Even an Aquanaut is hard to come by now.

2 years ago still possible (got mine - white dial - in April 2017) without any purchase history of any Patek piece, now...almost impossible unless you are willing to wait a long time & of course develop a relationship with Patek at one of the 3 ADs listed above.

Actually it's not that difficult in SG. I bought a 5196G and 5140G at a store on Orchard Road this year. Without me asking, they have offered to put my name down for an Aquanaut or Nautilus, but I declined as I already have what I want. (I live in Hong Kong but flew down to SG buy the watches.)

Now of course, they might know I don't want a Nautilus/Aquanaut and so that's why they asked me. Because I never asked them for a Nautilus/Aquanaut. I was was basically begging them to find me a 5140G and flew down within 3 days after they found one for me.

Or perhaps it might just be a polite "offer" to put me down on a waiting list and I'll never get it, since it's not a transparent process.

It helps if you get referred by someone who is a good client. I have a friend in Singapore (a well known surgeon) who got a 5711 white quite quickly, having no purchase history but was referred by his friend who is well known to the store.

I guess with Patek there's no set pathway, and everybody has a different story to tell.

[Humble michael]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Bring a 9 year old

So Jonathan, curious - did RM AD require a deposit to get on list? Can an ordinary mortal order one ? Thanks, your pal james

[skyseadweller]

Got my nautilus in 6 months time from initially telling the ad i was intrested, i was quoted 2 years so needless to say i was quite stunned to have it on my wrist already... no previous history at that shop but a 1 year 4 watches history (3 yg 1 steelsports) at a other store from the same group

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by james272

So Jonathan, curious - did RM AD require a deposit to get on list? Can an ordinary mortal order one ? Thanks, your pal james

You create a relationship by buying something :(


Then you pay full price to get on the list. A full deposit...once they take your deposit it means they’ve accepted your place... some people don’t have to put deposits if they are tight with the boutique... I had to put a deposit.

Usually they will only ask for a deposit if they can get it for u next few months

[Newbie@SIN]

Originally Posted by qrc36

Actually it's not that difficult in SG. I bought a 5196G and 5140G at a store on Orchard Road this year. Without me asking, they have offered to put my name down for an Aquanaut or Nautilus, but I declined as I already have what I want. (I live in Hong Kong but flew down to SG buy the watches.)

Now of course, they might know I don't want a Nautilus/Aquanaut and so that's why they asked me. Because I never asked them for a Nautilus/Aquanaut. I was was basically begging them to find me a 5140G and flew down within 3 days after they found one for me.

Or perhaps it might just be a polite "offer" to put me down on a waiting list and I'll never get it, since it's not a transparent process.

It helps if you get referred by someone who is a good client. I have a friend in Singapore (a well known surgeon) who got a 5711 white quite quickly, having no purchase history but was referred by his friend who is well known to the store.

I guess with Patek there's no set pathway, and everybody has a different story to tell.

Yup a referral from a VIP will definitely help a lot

I think waiting list is one thing, the actual shipment is another thing. There is like only 1-2 pieces of Nautilus 5711 and Aquanaut allocated to each outlet every month (correct me if I am wrong) that will take some time to clear!

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Newbie@SIN

Yup a referral from a VIP will definitely help a lot

I think waiting list is one thing, the actual shipment is another thing. There is like only 1-2 pieces of Nautilus 5711 and Aquanaut allocated to each outlet every month (correct me if I am wrong) that will take some time to clear!

I doubt referral helps for Nautilus or Aquanauts because the allocation follows an individual's purchase history. Unless the VIP is willing to spend on his/her friend's behalf and have the watch under his/her friend's name, then it will be useful. The name in AD's database will be reflected as the friend's instead of the VIP's name for future allocation.

I can only think of limited circumstances why a VIP will spend that way, ie, for his/her family members, or for mistresses/boyfriends/girlfriends.

Have you been automatically offered an Aquanaut or Nautilus after buying a couple of watches from AD in the past 1 to 2 years, or heard of your friends' purchase experiences? I have not encountered such generous AD in Singapore personally.

[ts3]

Originally Posted by Newbie@SIN

Yup a referral from a VIP will definitely help a lot

I think waiting list is one thing, the actual shipment is another thing. There is like only 1-2 pieces of Nautilus 5711 and Aquanaut allocated to each outlet every month (correct me if I am wrong) that will take some time to clear!

My understanding is the average AD gets about 2 blue and 2 white Nautilus 5711 a year rather than 1-2 pieces a month. No clue about Aquanaut.

[Newbie@SIN]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I doubt referral helps for Nautilus or Aquanauts because the allocation follows an individual's purchase history. Unless the VIP is willing to spend on his/her friend's behalf and have the watch under his/her friend's name, then it will be useful. The name in AD's database will be reflected as the friend's instead of the VIP's name for future allocation.

I can only think of limited circumstances why a VIP will spend that way, ie, for his/her family members, or for mistresses/boyfriends/girlfriends.

Have you been automatically offered an Aquanaut or Nautilus after buying a couple of watches from AD in the past 1 to 2 years, or heard of your friends' purchase experiences? I have not encountered such generous AD in Singapore personally.

I guess so with the limited amount of Nautilus and/or Aquanauts allocated right now! That’s why I also mentioned that developing a relationship with the ADs will certainly be the key as a way of accumulating purchase history with them.

Using my own case of how I acquired the Nautilus in April 2017:
- I bought two non-Rolex or Patek watches with the same AD (but different outlets) over the space of 3 years (2013-2016) and put up my name in different ADs for a 5711
- I was called up in 3rd quarter 2016 by two ADs about the white 5711 but didn’t respond back
- in March 2017, I made enquiries again to the same AD that called me earlier and casually mentioned that I will still be interested in a white 5711
- within a few weeks, I received a call saying that one white was available and this time I didn’t hesitated!

Likewise, the recent purchase of the 7234A was also due to a casual visit to the same AD (but different outlet) with a new SA that handled my request this time round. Put up my name right after the exhibition ended in early Oct 2019 and received a message on the allocation 1.5 month later! Collected the watch in early December.

[Josh1000]

I have had no problems getting a 5712, 5990 and two 5164R for friends this year. However thus does takes up my "favours" at the AD and i am conscious it will deprive other owners by jumping the queue. However I always have the caveat to give to the next person if he thinks he deserves it. However I also take on the responsibility of the buyer. One guy flipped his after 2 months and that put me in an embarrassing position as I basically vouched for him. So I am very cautious

[qrc36]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Have you been automatically offered an Aquanaut or Nautilus after buying a couple of watches from AD in the past 1 to 2 years, or heard of your friends' purchase experiences? I have not encountered such generous AD in Singapore personally.

It was me, not my friend.

They offered to put my name on the list - I wasn't offered one to buy right away - after getting the 5140 in October 2019 (and the 5196 a few months before that).

Putting name on list doesn't mean I've been offered one - it's just an offer to put my name on the list which might never materialize. It's probably just a kind gesture.

In any case I don't need any more Nautilus or Aquanaut and so I said no thanks.

[Commonproject]

If you're starting now, it's probably $100k

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by Josh1000

I have had no problems getting a 5712, 5990 and two 5164R for friends this year. However thus does takes up my "favours" at the AD and i am conscious it will deprive other owners by jumping the queue. However I always have the caveat to give to the next person if he thinks he deserves it. However I also take on the responsibility of the buyer. One guy flipped his after 2 months and that put me in an embarrassing position as I basically vouched for him. So I am very cautious

Mercedes does a lot of favours too...

[thomaspp]

$2.6 million dollars


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[tp.]

Originally Posted by Commonproject

If you're starting now, it's probably $100k

That will only probably get you on the ‘list’ with no guarantee..

2 years ago a PCC purchase guarantees you next in line for a 5711 blue.