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DWILZEN · 14 July 2006, 12:50 PM

Hello just wanted to say hey, I am new to group and have been looking recently at buying a rolex. Not real familiar with them but am learning. I think I am going to get either the SubMariner or the Sea-Dweller. I really like the Green sub but is very hard to come by. A couple questions just wanted to toss out there.
1. what is SS. Is that the regular sub or something different?

2. I found a green sub at a watch dealer ( howard Frum in chicago) and he has a few of them. A little expensive but he is not an AD. Is it safe to buy from a store that is not an authorized dealer?

Thanks

Dan

colemanitis · 14 July 2006, 01:24 PM

Welcome to TRF! SS = all stainless steel..

colemanitis · 14 July 2006, 01:30 PM

SS (stainless steel)

TT (two-tone)

mike · 14 July 2006, 01:34 PM

Hi DWILZEN,

First a big welcome!

SS refers to Stainless Steel. The normal Sub and Sub-date as well as others in the Rolex sports line are made in stainless.
Certain models may have gold center links or bezels or be made completely of a precious metal and be refered to as such -- TT -- Two tone, YG- Yellow Gold..etc.

It CAN be safe to buy from other than an authorized dealer, but for your first time out I think I'd stick with an AD.

Grey Market dealers can have policies that might not be in your best interests in the long run.

Some (not all) have been known to remove serial numbers. A big problem should you need to send the watch to Rolex for some reason.
None can offer the Rolex factory warrenty. On watches such as the Green Sub. Greys tend to price their product a lot higher than you could get at an AD.
Other pieces can be purchased at some sort of discount, but again the same problems as above can arise.

The big thing, in my view, is the piece of mind by going through an AD. Especially for your first time out.

The LV can be a bit difficult to get in our area (I'm also in Ohio) but it can be done. It took me about 4 months, but that was a while ago.

I can't say anything but good about the black sub or sub date as a first watch. It is a classic piece that will last you a life time.---same goes for the sea-dweller.

Good luck, and if I can help a fellow Buckeye let me know.

dfn8tly · 14 July 2006, 02:10 PM

Hi Dan;

Welcome to our little and rapidly growing WIS family. You are always welcome wether you have a Rolex or not. You can even ask dumb questions and get away with it, almost. Just be prepared for the friendly fire. Both the Sub and the SD are excellent choices. You will probably have a little difficulty finding the LV (green) but if that's what rings your chime just hunt it out. You'll get it.

1. SS stands for Stainless Steel. You'll see many abreviations such as TT (Two tone, gold and stainless). These will fall into your Rolex vocabulary faster than you think.

2. Have you been to Howard Frum's shop in Chicago? I was surprised at how small it is for the advertising he does. His reputation is primarily in preowned but he does occasionally have sources where he can get BNIB (Brand New in Box). I would probably feel safe buying from Howard as long as you were positive you knew what you wanted. As a general rule you buy the person, not the watch or store. Non ADs should probably be avoided until you have Rolex lube running through your wrist. Get to know your seller, you're expected to know your product.

Howard's store is in one of the old jewelry mart buildings and coincidently, this is where the official Chicago Rolex Service Center is located. Their office really IS a closet. However, they are very friendly, knowledgeable, helpful and determined to make all customer's happy. Hope you don't need them but have confidence if you do.

Once again, welcome. Learn and have fun. We do!

1.

C.J. · 14 July 2006, 02:17 PM

Hello, Dan and welcome to TRF

Stop in as often as you can and join right in. You've received some great answers so far from Mike and Richard so I'll just wish you the best of luck with the acquisition

DWILZEN · 14 July 2006, 02:24 PM

No I have not been to Frums but spoke to him on the phone. I will probably stay local now and go with an AD. I will just search around. I am not that set on the green although it is nice. I Most likely will go black. Thanks

P.S what is WIS, Probably a stupid question

dman · 14 July 2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DWILZEN

P.S what is WIS, Probably a stupid question

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It is a nice way to call ourselfs watch nerds, LOL!

Welcome to TRF and enjoy your stay!

DWILZEN · 14 July 2006, 03:07 PM

Will an AD mark up the prices on watches or do they have to sell at MSRP.

C.J. · 14 July 2006, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWILZEN

Will an AD mark up the prices on watches or do they have to sell at MSRP.

Ad's can't mark up new Rolex. The skys the limit on used though.

Uncle-AJ · 14 July 2006, 03:24 PM

Hello Dan and welcome to our crazy watch forum. Good luck with your watch hunting.

JJ Irani · 14 July 2006, 05:27 PM

Hi Dan,

The Sub-date and SD are both excellent watches. If you don't like the cyclops the SD is the way to go. Check out BOTH babies at your AD and see which one smiles back at you.

Remember, that while both have the SAME case diameter of 40 mm, the SD dial is 29 mm against the Sub's slightly larger 30 mm dial.

Cheers - JJ

14 July 2006, 12:50 PM	#1
DWILZEN Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Real Name: Dan Location: CINCINNATI OHIO Watch: Daytona/GMTII-C Posts: 117	Hi, New to group Hello just wanted to say hey, I am new to group and have been looking recently at buying a rolex. Not real familiar with them but am learning. I think I am going to get either the SubMariner or the Sea-Dweller. I really like the Green sub but is very hard to come by. A couple questions just wanted to toss out there. 1. what is SS. Is that the regular sub or something different? 2. I found a green sub at a watch dealer ( howard Frum in chicago) and he has a few of them. A little expensive but he is not an AD. Is it safe to buy from a store that is not an authorized dealer? Thanks Dan

14 July 2006, 01:24 PM	#2
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	Welcome to TRF! SS = all stainless steel.. __________________ Member #471

14 July 2006, 01:30 PM	#3
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	SS (stainless steel) TT (two-tone) __________________ Member #471

14 July 2006, 02:17 PM	#6
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	Hello, Dan and welcome to TRF Stop in as often as you can and join right in. You've received some great answers so far from Mike and Richard so I'll just wish you the best of luck with the acquisition __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

14 July 2006, 02:24 PM	#7
DWILZEN Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Real Name: Dan Location: CINCINNATI OHIO Watch: Daytona/GMTII-C Posts: 117	Thanks for replies No I have not been to Frums but spoke to him on the phone. I will probably stay local now and go with an AD. I will just search around. I am not that set on the green although it is nice. I Most likely will go black. Thanks P.S what is WIS, Probably a stupid question

14 July 2006, 01:34 PM	#4
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Hi DWILZEN, First a big welcome! SS refers to Stainless Steel. The normal Sub and Sub-date as well as others in the Rolex sports line are made in stainless. Certain models may have gold center links or bezels or be made completely of a precious metal and be refered to as such -- TT -- Two tone, YG- Yellow Gold..etc. It CAN be safe to buy from other than an authorized dealer, but for your first time out I think I'd stick with an AD. Grey Market dealers can have policies that might not be in your best interests in the long run. Some (not all) have been known to remove serial numbers. A big problem should you need to send the watch to Rolex for some reason. None can offer the Rolex factory warrenty. On watches such as the Green Sub. Greys tend to price their product a lot higher than you could get at an AD. Other pieces can be purchased at some sort of discount, but again the same problems as above can arise. The big thing, in my view, is the piece of mind by going through an AD. Especially for your first time out. The LV can be a bit difficult to get in our area (I'm also in Ohio) but it can be done. It took me about 4 months, but that was a while ago. I can't say anything but good about the black sub or sub date as a first watch. It is a classic piece that will last you a life time.---same goes for the sea-dweller. Good luck, and if I can help a fellow Buckeye let me know.

14 July 2006, 02:10 PM	#5
dfn8tly Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Richard Location: The Villages, FL Watch: GMT-II Posts: 396	Hi Dan; Welcome to our little and rapidly growing WIS family. You are always welcome wether you have a Rolex or not. You can even ask dumb questions and get away with it, almost. Just be prepared for the friendly fire. Both the Sub and the SD are excellent choices. You will probably have a little difficulty finding the LV (green) but if that's what rings your chime just hunt it out. You'll get it. 1. SS stands for Stainless Steel. You'll see many abreviations such as TT (Two tone, gold and stainless). These will fall into your Rolex vocabulary faster than you think. 2. Have you been to Howard Frum's shop in Chicago? I was surprised at how small it is for the advertising he does. His reputation is primarily in preowned but he does occasionally have sources where he can get BNIB (Brand New in Box). I would probably feel safe buying from Howard as long as you were positive you knew what you wanted. As a general rule you buy the person, not the watch or store. Non ADs should probably be avoided until you have Rolex lube running through your wrist. Get to know your seller, you're expected to know your product. Howard's store is in one of the old jewelry mart buildings and coincidently, this is where the official Chicago Rolex Service Center is located. Their office really IS a closet. However, they are very friendly, knowledgeable, helpful and determined to make all customer's happy. Hope you don't need them but have confidence if you do. Once again, welcome. Learn and have fun. We do! 1.

14 July 2006, 03:07 PM	#9
DWILZEN Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Real Name: Dan Location: CINCINNATI OHIO Watch: Daytona/GMTII-C Posts: 117	Another question Will an AD mark up the prices on watches or do they have to sell at MSRP.

14 July 2006, 03:24 PM	#11
Uncle-AJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Real Name: Adrian Location: Bolton, UK. Watch: Daytona 116520 Posts: 6,844	Hello Dan and welcome to our crazy watch forum. Good luck with your watch hunting. __________________ A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure.........Segal's Law Member #10

14 July 2006, 05:27 PM	#12
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Hi Dan, The Sub-date and SD are both excellent watches. If you don't like the cyclops the SD is the way to go. Check out BOTH babies at your AD and see which one smiles back at you. Remember, that while both have the SAME case diameter of 40 mm, the SD dial is 29 mm against the Sub's slightly larger 30 mm dial. Cheers - JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

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