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GS93108 · 20 February 2021, 02:16 AM

Something that I learned yesterday is that AP’s ceramic colours aren’t all ‘equal’ when it comes to production and finishing. Some colours are harder to produce and to finish than others.

For example, white ceramic is by far the hardest colour to work with and that’s why we don’t see the ceramic diver or 44mm ROO variants anymore...such a shame.

So, to the layman like me, I’d have assumed that green, blue, black etc were all the same other than a pigment that was added during the production process, but apparently not. Each colour has its own unique challenges as to ‘finishing’.

This is nothing more than an FYI, but it’s something that I’d ‘heard’ on the grapevine for quite a while, but never really believed it, but it’s actually correct.

Token74 · 20 February 2021, 02:42 AM

Yeah, that was really interesting, and surprising. Luckily, I’m nowhere near bold (cool) enough to wear a white watch!!

The blue ceramic bezel looked stunning, so much better than in pictures I’ve seen. Really bright and a fun look.

The Offshore is an interesting watch. In black with gold accents it’s looks business, in white and gold it looks cash, and then in brighter colours (case or strap) it’s just fun.

Sorry, I digress!

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Vivalas · 20 February 2021, 02:46 AM

I’d heard it a couple of years back with another brand where they were struggling with some ceramic colours on a couple of different watches, but didn’t know if it was just hype or myth I guess, so it didn’t totally surprise me yesterday, but like you I always thought it would be fairly similar with different colours. Learning curve all the time :-)

Reign · 20 February 2021, 02:53 AM

I didn’t want to jump in yesterday but I’ll put it here - black ceramic is 7x harder than SS and white ceramic is 10x harder than SS.

AP produce watches under extreme tolerances so I can see how a full ceramic watch would take so long and why 3x harder would make a big difference. The hardest part for the ceramic QPs continue to be the bracelet links given the various angles and size

GS93108 · 20 February 2021, 03:05 AM

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I didn’t want to jump in yesterday but I’ll put it here - black ceramic is 7x harder than SS and white ceramic is 10x harder than SS.

AP produce watches under extreme tolerances so I can see how a full ceramic watch would take so long and why 3x harder would make a big difference. The hardest part for the ceramic QPs continue to be the bracelet links given the various angles and size

Again, my logic would have grouped all ceramic to be approximately the same, but 7x to 10x isn’t a small difference, so no wonder white is very scarce in AP’s line up. More kudos to AP for the WOW job they did on the white QP, and more so given that it is/was priced the same as the black.

As I said, just interesting snippets to have verified by AP, rather than just hearsay.

Vince, I agree, you aren’t cool enough for a white watch :) so you aren’t missing anything.

chiscott_29 · 20 February 2021, 09:58 AM

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The blue ceramic bezel looked stunning, so much better than in pictures I’ve seen. Really bright and a fun look.

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If you like blue ceramic, I think you might really like something that’s coming soon

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Token74 · 20 February 2021, 10:16 AM

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If you like blue ceramic, I think you might really like something that’s coming soon

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Tease!!!

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AshAP · 20 February 2021, 05:13 PM

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Again, my logic would have grouped all ceramic to be approximately the same, but 7x to 10x isn’t a small difference, so no wonder white is very scarce in AP’s line up. More kudos to AP for the WOW job they did on the white QP, and more so given that it is/was priced the same as the black.

As I said, just interesting snippets to have verified by AP, rather than just hearsay.

Vince, I agree, you aren’t cool enough for a white watch :) so you aren’t missing anything.

I’ve previously tried on the white ceramic and it’s a very intense white, it’s louder than gold.

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Token74 · 20 February 2021, 05:44 PM

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Vince, I agree, you aren’t cool enough for a white watch :) so you aren’t missing anything.

Lol!! Talk about goading someone into something!!

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chiscott_29 · 21 February 2021, 01:27 AM

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I’ve previously tried on the white ceramic and it’s a very intense white, it’s louder than gold.

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I agree the white is LOUD. I saw it in the flesh and it's not for me...but it's a stunning piece of craftsmanship and if you can rock it, I say do so!

macrowatch · 21 February 2021, 02:41 AM

I feel hard to do white after Chanel laid claim first to white ceramic case and bracelet!

There is a part of me though that wonders what sapphire case and open worked would look like for RO though even though I think GP got there first.

watchyouc · 21 February 2021, 03:34 AM

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If you like blue ceramic, I think you might really like something that’s coming soon

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Oh wow. Very excited!

GS93108 · 21 February 2021, 04:30 AM

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Oh wow. Very excited!

I am too, but equally I hope it’s not over done.

maciej · 21 February 2021, 05:33 AM

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I am too, but equally I hope it’s not over done.

Going to really depend on the shade, especially that particular reference.

watchyouc · 21 February 2021, 05:33 AM

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I am too, but equally I hope it’s not over done.

Agreed. As much as I love my Blue Camo Offshore, the recent full ceramic blue Offshore just didn’t do it for me!

GS93108 · 21 February 2021, 05:39 AM

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Agreed. As much as I love my Blue Camo Offshore, the recent full ceramic blue Offshore just didn’t do it for me!

The new blue ROO was at least a black ceramic case, if it had been the same blue as the bezel it would have been pretty loud.

I think the speculation is with regards to a full ceramic RO, case and bracelet, akin to the white and black versions of the QP etc. If so then I trust AP to not create a FUBAR, but Hublot have made some shockers...I live in fear and in anxiety...

dauster · 21 February 2021, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GS93108

The new blue ROO was at least a black ceramic case, if it had been the same blue as the bezel it would have been pretty loud.

I think the speculation is with regards to a full ceramic RO, case and bracelet, akin to the white and black versions of the QP etc. If so then I trust AP to not create a FUBAR, but Hublot have made some shockers...I live in fear and in anxiety...

Omg ROO in full CE plus CE bracelet ?!?! That would be insane... let’s not spoil this amazing thought by thinking about Hublot

GS93108 · 21 February 2021, 08:01 AM

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Omg ROO in full CE plus CE bracelet ?!?! That would be insane... let’s not spoil this amazing thought by thinking about Hublot

Alas you misread my post, RO not ROO. I can’t imagine in my wildest dreams/nightmares that AP would ever be so nuts as to make a full CE ROO.

dauster · 21 February 2021, 12:41 PM

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Alas you misread my post, RO not ROO. I can’t imagine in my wildest dreams/nightmares that AP would ever be so nuts as to make a full CE ROO.

Oh I guess I did... but I have to say “the beast” in all CE would be awesome no ? So you are saying just a regular 15500 in CE ?

GS93108 · 21 February 2021, 07:54 PM

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Oh I guess I did... but I have to say “the beast” in all CE would be awesome no ? So you are saying just a regular 15500 in CE ?

I’m not saying anything. I’m just being a typical TRFer and propagating unsubstantiated rumours, just so that we have something to talk about.

But, a full CE RO blue model of some sort is the rumour we are trying to start :)

A971 · 21 February 2021, 07:59 PM

The white QP is the coolest watch I’ve ever seen in person. Interesting to know the white ceramic is that much stronger as well

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GS93108 · 21 February 2021, 08:29 PM

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The white QP is the coolest watch I’ve ever seen in person. Interesting to know the white ceramic is that much stronger as well

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I thought so too, but only as part of a collection. To wear it everyday in all situations would take a personality far larger than mine, and I’m not shy. But, for summer it would be WOW.

As with shotguns, a matched pair, one white and one black might be the answer...

Token74 · 21 February 2021, 08:35 PM

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I thought so too, but only as part of a collection. To wear it everyday in all situations would take a personality far larger than mine, and I’m not shy. But, for summer it would be WOW.

As with shotguns, a matched pair, one white and one black might be the answer...

Lol - can just imagine you standing there with white and black ceramic Oaks and a couple of Purdeys!! James Purdey will be turning in his grave!!

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Token74 · 21 February 2021, 08:37 PM

I shall wait for my steel coloured ceramic 39mm Royal Oak!

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AshAP · 21 February 2021, 08:37 PM

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Lol - can just imagine you standing there with white and black ceramic Oaks and a couple of Purdeys!! James Purdey will be turning in his grave!!

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......wearing an AP branded muscle vest.

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GS93108 · 21 February 2021, 08:42 PM

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I shall wait for my steel coloured ceramic 39mm Royal Oak!

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When you mentioned that I thought you were spot on, and I’d just seen a few days beforehand that Hublot had made a light greyish ceramic bracelet model that looked a lot like steel. So, if AP does ever make a steel coloured full CE model then that would be perfect.

GS93108 · 21 February 2021, 08:44 PM

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......wearing an AP branded muscle vest.

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That would be a ‘unique piece’ AP accessory that I bet conkers doesn’t even have.

Token74 · 21 February 2021, 09:02 PM

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......wearing an AP branded muscle vest.

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#obvs

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dauster · 22 February 2021, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GS93108

I’m not saying anything. I’m just being a typical TRFer and propagating unsubstantiated rumours, just so that we have something to talk about.

But, a full CE RO blue model of some sort is the rumour we are trying to start :)

Got it

20 February 2021, 02:16 AM	#1
GS93108 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 1,194	AP Ceramic Colours Something that I learned yesterday is that AP’s ceramic colours aren’t all ‘equal’ when it comes to production and finishing. Some colours are harder to produce and to finish than others. For example, white ceramic is by far the hardest colour to work with and that’s why we don’t see the ceramic diver or 44mm ROO variants anymore...such a shame. So, to the layman like me, I’d have assumed that green, blue, black etc were all the same other than a pigment that was added during the production process, but apparently not. Each colour has its own unique challenges as to ‘finishing’. This is nothing more than an FYI, but it’s something that I’d ‘heard’ on the grapevine for quite a while, but never really believed it, but it’s actually correct.

20 February 2021, 02:42 AM	#2
Token74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Vince Location: England Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,711	Yeah, that was really interesting, and surprising. Luckily, I’m nowhere near bold (cool) enough to wear a white watch!! The blue ceramic bezel looked stunning, so much better than in pictures I’ve seen. Really bright and a fun look. The Offshore is an interesting watch. In black with gold accents it’s looks business, in white and gold it looks cash, and then in brighter colours (case or strap) it’s just fun. Sorry, I digress! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Time is limited, make every second count. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5990 - AP Royal Oak 15300 - AP Royal Oak 15450 Blue - AP Royal Oak 15450 Silver - AP Royal Oak Offshore 26480 - Royal Oak Offshore 15710 - Rolex Sea Dweller 116600 - Rolex Daytona 116519 - Rolex GMT 126710 BLRO - Omega Speedmaster Reduced - JLC Reverso GMT Moonphase - TAG Microtimer - Dent Pocket Watch - JLC Atmos Phases de lune

21 February 2021, 08:37 PM	#24
Token74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Vince Location: England Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,711	I shall wait for my steel coloured ceramic 39mm Royal Oak! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Time is limited, make every second count. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5990 - AP Royal Oak 15300 - AP Royal Oak 15450 Blue - AP Royal Oak 15450 Silver - AP Royal Oak Offshore 26480 - Royal Oak Offshore 15710 - Rolex Sea Dweller 116600 - Rolex Daytona 116519 - Rolex GMT 126710 BLRO - Omega Speedmaster Reduced - JLC Reverso GMT Moonphase - TAG Microtimer - Dent Pocket Watch - JLC Atmos Phases de lune

20 February 2021, 02:46 AM	#3
Vivalas "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Stephen Location: UK Watch: AP Posts: 2,532	I’d heard it a couple of years back with another brand where they were struggling with some ceramic colours on a couple of different watches, but didn’t know if it was just hype or myth I guess, so it didn’t totally surprise me yesterday, but like you I always thought it would be fairly similar with different colours. Learning curve all the time :-)

20 February 2021, 02:53 AM	#4
Reign "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: USA Posts: 1,190	I didn’t want to jump in yesterday but I’ll put it here - black ceramic is 7x harder than SS and white ceramic is 10x harder than SS. AP produce watches under extreme tolerances so I can see how a full ceramic watch would take so long and why 3x harder would make a big difference. The hardest part for the ceramic QPs continue to be the bracelet links given the various angles and size

21 February 2021, 02:41 AM	#11
macrowatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: HK Posts: 4,366	I feel hard to do white after Chanel laid claim first to white ceramic case and bracelet! There is a part of me though that wonders what sapphire case and open worked would look like for RO though even though I think GP got there first.

21 February 2021, 07:59 PM	#21
A971 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Japan Posts: 252	The white QP is the coolest watch I’ve ever seen in person. Interesting to know the white ceramic is that much stronger as well Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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