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Alexxonvaldez · 4 July 2021, 08:05 AM

The Rolex Submariner Date 16610 with COSC certified Cal 3135 was released in 1988 and discontinued in 2010.
It’s pure and elegant 2+4 lines glossy and slightly radial dial experienced three major variants, each divided in several subcategories.
Everyone knows that Rolex subcontracted its dials for ages to Singer, Beyeler, Stern, Lemrich, Eggli & Weiber, etc. Most (all ?) of the dial makers were bought by and merged into Rolex SA from 2000 to 2010 (to be confirmed). Thus, as we’ll see, Rolex randomly provided watches to their dealers with a quite diversified panel of faces throughout the production of the 16610.
Thanks to Phillips, Christie’s, Sotheby’s past auctions databases and an extensive research over several blogs gathering a lot of intel, I’m able to propose you an exhaustive list of all the dials ever proposed in this very coveted classic.

The following classification is rather empirical, and I hope you’ll forgive me if it’s not absolutely accurate.

1988-1998 (L to U serial) : Mark I Tritium dial
“Swiss – T < 25” at 6

The watch is provided with a Flat 4 insert, Lug holes, a 93150 Bracelet with 501B end links.

Mark I Type A : Sans-Serif

(1988, L series)

(1992)

Mark I Type B : Serif

(1991)

(1995)

Look at the "T" of "Chronometer" :

(1996)

Mark I Type C : Flat “S” Five-O

Instead of Oval zeros in 1000Ft = 300m, the dial shows five round O
The 1 is pretty distinctive too, looking like an I :

(1996)

Some asked if these Flat "S" dials were rare, special, or not, it's hard to tell.
You can spot them all along the Sub history, especially on Red 1680s.
You’ll notice this Serif Mk I.B sits in between these two Mk I.C “Flat S” :

(W45.… SN)

(W592.… SN)

(W596… SN)

to be continued...

Alexxonvaldez · 4 July 2021, 08:33 AM

1998-2000 (U series) : Mark II Luminova transition dial
“Swiss” only at 6

I was only able to find a Sans-Serif Mark II dial so far :

Source : Christies.com

In 1998, the watch receives a 2160 coded case back (common to ref. 14060, 14060m, 16610, 16613)
In 1999 a Crown is etched on the sapphire crystal at 6

1999-2010 (A series and on and on) : Mark III Super Luminova dial
“Swiss made” at 6

The bracelet is superseded by the 93250 ref. with 801 Solid End Links.
In 2003, the case comes with Solid lugs and the ref. turns into 16610T (“T” for « Trous borgnes »).
In 2005, the aluminum insert is printed with a slim and pointed 4.
In 2008 appears the engraved rehaut (Middle of M serial).

Mark III Type A1 : Serif + 5
with “Swiss made” over 5 shortened minute markers

(2002)

Mark III Type A2 : Serif + 3
with “Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers

(2005, D serial)

Mark III Type B1 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” + thin “Ft”
No O on this one but the “1” is pretty distinctive, looking like an I : I000ft=300m
“Swiss made” over 5 shortened minute markers

(2002, Y45... SN)

Mark III Type B2 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” + thin “Ft” + Five-O
Instead of Oval zeros in 1000Ft=300m, the dial shows five round O
As usual, the “1” is pretty distinctive, looking like an I : IOOOft=300m
“Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers

(2005, D SN)

Mark III Type C : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Five-O
“Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers

(2007, M SN)

(2006, D SN)

Mark III Type D : Fat Sans-Serif Font
“Swiss made” over 4 shortened minute marker divided by a long minute marker in between :

(2008)

Mark III Type E : Sans-Serif

11 to 1 spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” :

(2009, V SN)

“Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers :

Alexxonvaldez · 4 July 2021, 08:36 AM

BONUS:

Mark I A (Sans-Serif) Tiffany & Co

Source : Phillips.com

Mark I B (Serif) Tiffany & Co

Source : Christies.com

Mark I B (Serif) Comex

Source : Phillips.com

Mark III Type A Polizia di Stato

(only 75 were made)

Source : Sothebys.com

Mark III Panama Canal

“Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers

Source : Christies.com

Alex.

Alexxonvaldez · 4 July 2021, 08:47 AM

In conclusion :

1988-1998 (L to U series) : Mark I Tritium dial
“Swiss – T < 25” at 6
Mark I Type A : Sans-Serif
Mark I Type B : Serif
Mark I Type C : Flat “S” Five-O

1998-2000 (U series) : Mark II Luminova transition dial
“Swiss” only at 6
Mark II : Sans-Serif

1999-2010 (A series to random) : Mark III Super Luminova dial
“Swiss made” at 6
Mark III Type A1 : Serif + 5
Mark III Type A2 : Serif + 3
Mark III Type B1 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + 5
Mark III Type B2 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + Five-O + 3
Mark III Type C : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Five-O + 3
Mark III Type D : Fat Sans-Serif Font + 4
Mark III Type E : Sans-Serif + Pointed “A” + spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” + 3

Rafabond · 4 July 2021, 09:08 AM

Thank you very much for the information

my 16610 is W series, and it must be a Mark 1 type B: Serif

RadSS · 4 July 2021, 11:20 AM

Wow. Excellent. I will have to check this with my 1996.

Alexxonvaldez · 4 July 2021, 04:38 PM

Thanks to David Cote, the taxonomy thickens :

Mark III Type B3 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + Five-O + 5
Instead of Oval zeros in 1000Ft=300m, the dial shows five round O
As usual, the “1” is pretty distinctive, looking like an I : IOOOft=300m
“Swiss made” over 5 shortened minute markers

(1999)

padi56 · 4 July 2021, 05:36 PM

Well in the real world seeing dials were made in 3 different factories now all owned by Rolex, there always will be and always have been tiny variations on most all dials over the past 50 odd years. Mainly noticed today by the WIS type with loupes and other high magnification.

madgpol · 4 July 2021, 06:02 PM

Great post OP and thanks for taking the time to gather the information. Will be getting my 1995 sub date out to take a look

David cote · 4 July 2021, 07:39 PM

Thanks

for posting this Alex, I have always loved looking at these dial variations! Great work.

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JP. · 4 July 2021, 07:47 PM

Thanks for this information.

I previously had a K-serial with "flat S" but now I have another K-serial 2001 with "standard S". This dial version/font seems to be the most common, huh? At least I see a lot of these.

Casotakar · 4 July 2021, 07:56 PM

Great write up. This was my former 16610. Swiss T. X serial so I believe was a 1993…had little knowledge of the many font variations. Do miss that watch.

interestedwatcher · 4 July 2021, 08:31 PM

This is quality - really well done.

saxo3 · 4 July 2021, 08:46 PM

OP, very well done, thank you!

Oldfellow · 4 July 2021, 09:56 PM

OP, thank you for putting the time and effort into this project.
Very interesting information to many of us here.

IamJacky · 4 July 2021, 10:10 PM

awesome content, thanks OP!

ajmacke · 4 July 2021, 11:43 PM

Good stuff here, thanks

mdtddd2007 · 4 July 2021, 11:57 PM

Awesome info...thanks for sharing...gotta love Rolex dial variations!

Alexxonvaldez · 5 July 2021, 12:15 AM

Thanks to you all !
It seems the "mal-aimée" glossy-sapphire 16610, neglected to the benefit of matte painted tritium dials and plexi refs, has still many surprises in store.
I hope we'll see someday the back and manufacturer's name of all these dials when these amazing Subs will hit the horloger's desk.

Let me introduce you an interesting new one (the lucky 13th) that I had to check before posting.
At the end of the 5 digit production, Rolex apparently used the same matrix for its Submariners and a simple detail builds a strong bridge between 14060m (no date) and 16610 : the “small feet” dial.
I’ll classify this one in the Mk III Type E because of the stretch out second line which stands out at the very end of the 16610 production era.

Mark III Type E2 : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Small “ft” + spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” + 3

11 to 1 spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date”
Oval zeros in 1000Ft = 300m
“Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers
Same Small “ft” feature as 14060m

Source : Chrono24

Alexxonvaldez · 5 July 2021, 12:22 AM

1988-1998 (L to U series) : Mark I Tritium dial
“Swiss – T < 25” at 6
Mark I Type A : Sans-Serif
Mark I Type B : Serif
Mark I Type C : Flat “S” Five-O

1998-2000 (U series) : Mark II Luminova transition dial
“Swiss” only at 6
Mark II : Sans-Serif

1999-2010 (A series to random) : Mark III Super Luminova dial
“Swiss made” at 6
Mark III Type A1 : Serif + 5
Mark III Type A2 : Serif + 3
Mark III Type B1 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + 5
Mark III Type B2 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + Five-O + 3
Mark III Type B3 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + Five-O + 5
Mark III Type C : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Five-O + 3
Mark III Type D : Fat Sans-Serif Font + 4
Mark III Type E1 : Sans-Serif + Pointed “A” + spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” + 3
Mark III Type E2 : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Small “ft” + spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” + 3

Fmnunes2803 · 5 July 2021, 01:12 AM

Good stuff. Thanks!!!

101031-28 · 5 July 2021, 01:31 AM

Great info, thank you for sharing!

fskywalker · 5 July 2021, 04:18 AM

Thanks for sharing, here is my S serial:

Supposed it is a Mark I, Type B Serif

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Alexxonvaldez · 5 July 2021, 05:28 AM

Absolutely !
Was your crystal changed at some point ?
I thought the laser-etched crystal was introduced in 1999 (even read 2001).

ericthegreek · 5 July 2021, 05:43 PM

Truly awesome research Alex. Thanks, it's been very helpful

karteo · 5 July 2021, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fskywalker

Thanks for sharing, here is my S serial:

Supposed it is a Mark I, Type B Serif

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

that's a real beautiful watch. i also have an adorable N-series 1991.
However, i cannot avoid to ask about this bracelet :)

fskywalker · 5 July 2021, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karteo

that's a real beautiful watch. i also have an adorable N-series 1991.
However, i cannot avoid to ask about this bracelet :)

Thanks. The bracelet is a spare oyster 72600 PCL that use it on my Rolex watches from time to time, its 91350 is currently taking a rest

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fskywalker · 5 July 2021, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexxonvaldez

Absolutely !
Was your crystal changed at some point ?
I thought the laser-etched crystal was introduced in 1999 (even read 2001).

Yes, the sapphire was replaced a few years back, original did not had the LEC

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NickD1975 · 6 July 2021, 02:27 AM

Interesting research. The Oyster Perpetual Date spread out version is also seen on a number of 2004 & 2005 Sea Dwellers, although the Swiss Made is different, being over 5 shortened minute markers, although with a similar offset A. I did some research when checking out my own 2004 SD.

JanP · 6 July 2021, 09:51 PM

This is amazing, thanks for the work OP!

These dial variations are fascinating... some small things like serifs or thin vs. bold print really have an effect on the experience of the overall watch.

For example, I have an M-Serial Sub which seems to be consistent with your Mark III Type C definition. Not sure I am a fan of that but I like the watch overall and was glad to read other watches from this serial range seem to have the same print.

I do have one question: besides the printed text, do you find the markers are different? Specifically, on my 16610 I feel like the "walls" of the markers (i.e. the metal surrounds of the lume) seem to be thicker than on other models like my 14060m or my 16710. But I am not sure if it's also a thing of this certain type of dial or a general 16610 thing... or if I am just imagining it :D

(Can't post a pic unfortunately)

4 July 2021, 08:05 AM	#1
Alexxonvaldez "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 70	Rolex 16610 Submariner Date: All Dial Versions The Rolex Submariner Date 16610 with COSC certified Cal 3135 was released in 1988 and discontinued in 2010. It’s pure and elegant 2+4 lines glossy and slightly radial dial experienced three major variants, each divided in several subcategories. Everyone knows that Rolex subcontracted its dials for ages to Singer, Beyeler, Stern, Lemrich, Eggli & Weiber, etc. Most (all ?) of the dial makers were bought by and merged into Rolex SA from 2000 to 2010 (to be confirmed). Thus, as we’ll see, Rolex randomly provided watches to their dealers with a quite diversified panel of faces throughout the production of the 16610. Thanks to Phillips, Christie’s, Sotheby’s past auctions databases and an extensive research over several blogs gathering a lot of intel, I’m able to propose you an exhaustive list of all the dials ever proposed in this very coveted classic. The following classification is rather empirical, and I hope you’ll forgive me if it’s not absolutely accurate. 1988-1998 (L to U serial) : Mark I Tritium dial “Swiss – T < 25” at 6 The watch is provided with a Flat 4 insert, Lug holes, a 93150 Bracelet with 501B end links. Mark I Type A : Sans-Serif (1988, L series) (1992) Mark I Type B : Serif (1991) (1995) Look at the "T" of "Chronometer" : (1996) Mark I Type C : Flat “S” Five-O Instead of Oval zeros in 1000Ft = 300m, the dial shows five round O The 1 is pretty distinctive too, looking like an I : (1996) Some asked if these Flat "S" dials were rare, special, or not, it's hard to tell. You can spot them all along the Sub history, especially on Red 1680s. You’ll notice this Serif Mk I.B sits in between these two Mk I.C “Flat S” : (W45.… SN) (W592.… SN) (W596… SN) to be continued...

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Alexxonvaldez "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 70	1998-2000 (U series) : Mark II Luminova transition dial “Swiss” only at 6 I was only able to find a Sans-Serif Mark II dial so far : Source : Christies.com In 1998, the watch receives a 2160 coded case back (common to ref. 14060, 14060m, 16610, 16613) In 1999 a Crown is etched on the sapphire crystal at 6 1999-2010 (A series and on and on) : Mark III Super Luminova dial “Swiss made” at 6 The bracelet is superseded by the 93250 ref. with 801 Solid End Links. In 2003, the case comes with Solid lugs and the ref. turns into 16610T (“T” for « Trous borgnes »). In 2005, the aluminum insert is printed with a slim and pointed 4. In 2008 appears the engraved rehaut (Middle of M serial). Mark III Type A1 : Serif + 5 with “Swiss made” over 5 shortened minute markers (2002) Mark III Type A2 : Serif + 3 with “Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers (2005, D serial) Mark III Type B1 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” + thin “Ft” No O on this one but the “1” is pretty distinctive, looking like an I : I000ft=300m “Swiss made” over 5 shortened minute markers (2002, Y45... SN) Mark III Type B2 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” + thin “Ft” + Five-O Instead of Oval zeros in 1000Ft=300m, the dial shows five round O As usual, the “1” is pretty distinctive, looking like an I : IOOOft=300m “Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers (2005, D SN) Mark III Type C : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Five-O “Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers (2007, M SN) (2006, D SN) Mark III Type D : Fat Sans-Serif Font “Swiss made” over 4 shortened minute marker divided by a long minute marker in between : (2008) Mark III Type E : Sans-Serif 11 to 1 spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” : (2009, V SN) “Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers :

4 July 2021, 08:36 AM	#3
Alexxonvaldez "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 70	BONUS: Mark I A (Sans-Serif) Tiffany & Co Source : Phillips.com Mark I B (Serif) Tiffany & Co Source : Christies.com Mark I B (Serif) Comex Source : Phillips.com Mark III Type A Polizia di Stato (only 75 were made) Source : Sothebys.com Mark III Panama Canal “Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers Source : Christies.com Alex.

4 July 2021, 08:47 AM	#4
Alexxonvaldez "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 70	In conclusion : 1988-1998 (L to U series) : Mark I Tritium dial “Swiss – T < 25” at 6 Mark I Type A : Sans-Serif Mark I Type B : Serif Mark I Type C : Flat “S” Five-O 1998-2000 (U series) : Mark II Luminova transition dial “Swiss” only at 6 Mark II : Sans-Serif 1999-2010 (A series to random) : Mark III Super Luminova dial “Swiss made” at 6 Mark III Type A1 : Serif + 5 Mark III Type A2 : Serif + 3 Mark III Type B1 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + 5 Mark III Type B2 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + Five-O + 3 Mark III Type C : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Five-O + 3 Mark III Type D : Fat Sans-Serif Font + 4 Mark III Type E : Sans-Serif + Pointed “A” + spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” + 3

4 July 2021, 09:08 AM	#5
Rafabond "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Barcelona, Spain Watch: Rolex, Tudor, etc Posts: 602	Thank you very much for the information my 16610 is W series, and it must be a Mark 1 type B: Serif

4 July 2021, 11:20 AM	#6
RadSS "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 51	Wow. Excellent. I will have to check this with my 1996.

4 July 2021, 04:38 PM	#7
Alexxonvaldez "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 70	Thanks to David Cote, the taxonomy thickens : Mark III Type B3 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + Five-O + 5 Instead of Oval zeros in 1000Ft=300m, the dial shows five round O As usual, the “1” is pretty distinctive, looking like an I : IOOOft=300m “Swiss made” over 5 shortened minute markers (1999)

4 July 2021, 06:02 PM	#9
madgpol "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Jason Location: UK Posts: 695	Great post OP and thanks for taking the time to gather the information. Will be getting my 1995 sub date out to take a look

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David cote 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: David Cote Location: USA 603/Boston Watch: Watches etc Posts: 2,304	Thanks for posting this Alex, I have always loved looking at these dial variations! Great work. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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saxo3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: . Posts: 2,751	OP, very well done, thank you!

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ajmacke 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: NorCal Watch: Lange 1 Time Zone Posts: 40	Good stuff here, thanks

4 July 2021, 11:57 PM	#18
mdtddd2007 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: U.S Watch: Rolex, PP, AP, GS Posts: 5,663	Awesome info...thanks for sharing...gotta love Rolex dial variations!

5 July 2021, 12:15 AM	#19
Alexxonvaldez "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 70	Thanks to you all ! It seems the "mal-aimée" glossy-sapphire 16610, neglected to the benefit of matte painted tritium dials and plexi refs, has still many surprises in store. I hope we'll see someday the back and manufacturer's name of all these dials when these amazing Subs will hit the horloger's desk. Let me introduce you an interesting new one (the lucky 13th) that I had to check before posting. At the end of the 5 digit production, Rolex apparently used the same matrix for its Submariners and a simple detail builds a strong bridge between 14060m (no date) and 16610 : the “small feet” dial. I’ll classify this one in the Mk III Type E because of the stretch out second line which stands out at the very end of the 16610 production era. Mark III Type E2 : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Small “ft” + spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” + 3 11 to 1 spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” Oval zeros in 1000Ft = 300m “Swiss made” over 3 shortened minute markers Same Small “ft” feature as 14060m Source : Chrono24

5 July 2021, 12:22 AM	#20
Alexxonvaldez "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 70	1988-1998 (L to U series) : Mark I Tritium dial “Swiss – T < 25” at 6 Mark I Type A : Sans-Serif Mark I Type B : Serif Mark I Type C : Flat “S” Five-O 1998-2000 (U series) : Mark II Luminova transition dial “Swiss” only at 6 Mark II : Sans-Serif 1999-2010 (A series to random) : Mark III Super Luminova dial “Swiss made” at 6 Mark III Type A1 : Serif + 5 Mark III Type A2 : Serif + 3 Mark III Type B1 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + 5 Mark III Type B2 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + Five-O + 3 Mark III Type B3 : Sans-Serif Flat “S” thin “Ft” + Five-O + 5 Mark III Type C : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Five-O + 3 Mark III Type D : Fat Sans-Serif Font + 4 Mark III Type E1 : Sans-Serif + Pointed “A” + spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” + 3 Mark III Type E2 : Thin Serif Font + Flat “A” + Small “ft” + spread out “Oyster Perpetual Date” + 3

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5 July 2021, 05:28 AM	#24
Alexxonvaldez "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 70	Absolutely ! Was your crystal changed at some point ? I thought the laser-etched crystal was introduced in 1999 (even read 2001).

5 July 2021, 05:43 PM	#25
ericthegreek "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 4	Truly awesome research Alex. Thanks, it's been very helpful

6 July 2021, 02:27 AM	#29
NickD1975 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: UK Posts: 244	Interesting research. The Oyster Perpetual Date spread out version is also seen on a number of 2004 & 2005 Sea Dwellers, although the Swiss Made is different, being over 5 shortened minute markers, although with a similar offset A. I did some research when checking out my own 2004 SD.

6 July 2021, 09:51 PM	#30
JanP "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Germany Posts: 5	This is amazing, thanks for the work OP! These dial variations are fascinating... some small things like serifs or thin vs. bold print really have an effect on the experience of the overall watch. For example, I have an M-Serial Sub which seems to be consistent with your Mark III Type C definition. Not sure I am a fan of that but I like the watch overall and was glad to read other watches from this serial range seem to have the same print. I do have one question: besides the printed text, do you find the markers are different? Specifically, on my 16610 I feel like the "walls" of the markers (i.e. the metal surrounds of the lume) seem to be thicker than on other models like my 14060m or my 16710. But I am not sure if it's also a thing of this certain type of dial or a general 16610 thing... or if I am just imagining it :D (Can't post a pic unfortunately)

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