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mretzloff · 11 August 2009, 05:22 AM

I stopped by my AD today. There was a new manager working there, so he obviously did not know I was a returning customer. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, I tried on an Explorer II, which, to my knowledge, is one of Rolex's less popular models. Instead of offering me a discount he said I'd have to pay more than MSRP for the watch if I'm paying in cash.

Excuse me, but WTF was that guy smoking? Next thing, he'll charge me a fee just to look at the watch.

kcmo · 11 August 2009, 05:25 AM

WHAT???? That is ridiculous!

Makes no sense whatsoever.

mretzloff · 11 August 2009, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcmo

WHAT???? That is ridiculous!

Makes no sense whatsoever.

Ok, good. I thought I was missing something or maybe I was going crazy.

I'll go back tomorrow (most ADs here are in the same area) and see again. Maybe he was just having a rough day.

EDIT: The good part is, another AD offered me 24 months no interest. It's really hard to pass that up.

kcmo · 11 August 2009, 05:31 AM

Matthew, would you consider buying a brand new one from one of our trusted grey dealers here? You could save closer to 30% and not pay tax! Definitely the best way to go!

cody p · 11 August 2009, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcmo

WHAT???? That is ridiculous!

Makes no sense whatsoever.

good for a laugh and a shake of one's head.

Tools · 11 August 2009, 05:33 AM

Well, I don't think that it is one of Rolex "less popular" models......... They sell better than the Yachtmasters, anything TT, and are only rivaled in the Sport line-up by the Sub and GMT...

But, still, there should never be a premium at any AD for one... and especially not if you were paying cash

mretzloff · 11 August 2009, 05:36 AM

What type of discount should I ask for? 15%?

Tools · 11 August 2009, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mretzloff

What type of discount should I ask for? 15%?

You can ask for anything you want to..

Around here, they would just say no... and put it back in the case.......

mretzloff · 11 August 2009, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

You can ask for anyhint you want to..

Around here, they would just say no... and put it back in the case.......

What discount would you ask for? I'm just trying to get a hint at what is normal for the Explorer II.

Tools · 11 August 2009, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mretzloff

What discount would you ask for? I'm just trying to get a hint at what is normal for the Explorer II.

Apparently this depends on the area of the country you live in.... Getting any sort of discount on a Stainless Steel model is unusual on the west coast, so "normal" is MSRP on a Rolex....... It doesn't matter what model it is..

Idle Swede · 11 August 2009, 05:56 AM

Well, since list is $5,925 and GD's sells them for around $4,500 you figure the discount.

B Square · 11 August 2009, 08:16 AM

Matthew, if you are speaking of Lion's in Phillips Place they called me an offered an Expy ll for $4800 and would ship out of state to save tax !!!!
Boyd

mretzloff · 11 August 2009, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Square

Matthew, if you are speaking of Lion's in Phillips Place they called me an offered an Expy ll for $4800 and would ship out of state to save tax !!!!
Boyd

Wow, I PMed you before reading this

EDIT: Who called you? Bill?

Watchdog · 11 August 2009, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mretzloff

I stopped by my AD today. There was a new manager working there, so he obviously did not know I was a returning customer. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, I tried on an Explorer II, which, to my knowledge, is one of Rolex's less popular models. Instead of offering me a discount he said I'd have to pay more than MSRP for the watch if I'm paying in cash.

Excuse me, but WTF was that guy smoking? Next thing, he'll charge me a fee just to look at the watch.

These stories always mystify me. It's so hard for me to believe (although I do believe you, trust me) that Rolex allows the manager--the guy in charge of the store--to utter such nonsense to customers.

Many people on this forum appreciate their A.D.s and rightly so. However, some on this forum will now only buy from a respected grey dealer (due to encounters like this and the difference in savings a grey dealer offers).

Either way is fine by me. It's a personal choice. But I have to believe that stories like this push people closer to the grey market. I mean why in the world would a customer pay full price (or a PREMIUM! for an Exp. II?????) and be treated like this. I'm sure it's just ignorance, and every major company has a few ignorant employees, but I always expect more from Rolex.

They're selling us fine watches that are associated with an image of excellence. You would expect the peddlers of these timepieces to represent the best of that image.

Just My Humble Opinion!

P.S. I am not degrading the Explorer II. I really admire that watch, but one is usually offered reasonable discounts on that model.

mretzloff · 11 August 2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkongkelley

These stories always mystify me. It's so hard for me to believe (although I do believe you, trust me) that Rolex allows the manager--the guy in charge of the store--to utter such nonsense to customers.

Many people on this forum appreciate their A.D.s and rightly so. However, some on this forum will now only buy from a respected grey dealer (due to encounters like this and the difference in savings a grey dealer offers).

Either way is fine by me. It's a personal choice. But I have to believe that stories like this push people closer to the grey market. I mean why in the world would a customer pay full price (or a PREMIUM! for an Exp. II?????) and be treated like this. I'm sure it's just ignorance, and every major company has a few ignorant employees, but I always expect more from Rolex.

They're selling us fine watches that are associated with an image of excellence. You would expect the peddlers of these timepieces to represent the best of that image.

Just My Humble Opinion!

P.S. I am not degrading the Explorer II. I really admire that watch, but one is usually offered reasonable discounts on that model.

I see what you're saying. When I go back tomorrow, I'll see if the same guy is there and if he is rude again. If he is, I'll find the answer to your question out by calling Rolex. Seriously, if I had not been treated like a king by the other salespeople when I purchased my Sub, I'd never even think about going back. It's as if they don't want you to purchase a Rolex. Sometimes I wonder if they realize that we customers are the ones feeding them and putting a roof over their head.

valentine · 11 August 2009, 11:56 AM

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!??? i would have laughed so hard....i wouldnt have have been able to hold it in!!!!!!!!!!!

valentine · 11 August 2009, 11:58 AM

here ya go, dude
http://www.alanfurman.com/noframes/rp16570blk.htm

Woody · 11 August 2009, 05:42 PM

Here in the UK it is difficult to get any form of discount from an AD on any of the Rolex sports models - that said I did get over 40% discount (on list price) from my AD when purchasing my pre-owned Explorer II (18 months old) so there are some deals to be had on this particular model if you search around. Great watch.

JJ Irani · 11 August 2009, 05:44 PM

No way can there ever be a premium of any of the 2 Exp-II models.

They are easy to buy, but very hard to sell.

JJ

acce1999 · 12 August 2009, 01:38 AM

My Experience from Explorer II's is that you can get them at a good discount. At least I have been able to get mine at a much better price than many other watches. Explorer IIs do not move that fast where I live, but it seems that they are getting more popular every day now...

Best,

A

Timber Loftis · 12 August 2009, 01:55 AM

You should still be able to get one at a some discount. They turn up regularly here on these forums, too.

That said, I know a dealer who is buying up all the Expy II's that he can because he believes very soon that Rolex will update the model.

mretzloff · 12 August 2009, 03:34 AM

Here's an update:

I went back today and the jerk salesperson was nicer. I also found out that he was not even a manager or anyone important. He was just a salesperson with an attitude.

Anyway the saleslady that sold me my Sub was there too. She offered me 20% off ($4800 instead of $5925). I payed for it in cash and was about to leave when I checked the serial number. It was a "Z". I told her I am not going to purchase a three-year-old watch. She said fine and that she could order a "V".

She called later on and told me that she could only do 10% off on a "V". I think that's an insult because not only was I treated like crap the day before, they tried selling me a three-year-old watch without telling me.

Should I take the "V" serial for 10% off or should I just get my money back?

TempoKing · 12 August 2009, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mretzloff

I stopped by my AD today. There was a new manager working there, so he obviously did not know I was a returning customer. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, I tried on an Explorer II, which, to my knowledge, is one of Rolex's less popular models. Instead of offering me a discount he said I'd have to pay more than MSRP for the watch if I'm paying in cash.

Excuse me, but WTF was that guy smoking? Next thing, he'll charge me a fee just to look at the watch.

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All day long ...brand new in box.. $4,450 ...not a penny more...

JJ Irani · 12 August 2009, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TempoKing

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All day long ...brand new in box.. $4,450 ...not a penny more...

How about a penny less, buddy?

behardt · 12 August 2009, 04:32 AM

All idiots will reveal themselves...

f16570 · 12 August 2009, 04:52 AM

Just done the converstion on this, that is one expensive watch. A new one in the UK today is £3600 less a decent discount.
Would love to here the salesperson's take on the initial converstation. Every story has two sides.

greekbum · 12 August 2009, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TempoKing

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All day long ...brand new in box.. $4,450 ...not a penny more...

I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!The few times I have had 1 to sell I had to keep discounting it to move it.

cajun_one · 12 August 2009, 05:06 AM

You should pay 4300.00-4500.00 for this watch new right now. I haven't even tried hard, but have seen many dealers on here that would give that price a run. Tell them to stick the watch where the sun doesn't shine.

Christiaan · 12 August 2009, 05:12 AM

Get your $$$ back and go grey market.
why pay top $ AND getting treated like crap?

greekbum · 12 August 2009, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mretzloff

Here's an update:

I went back today and the jerk salesperson was nicer. I also found out that he was not even a manager or anyone important. He was just a salesperson with an attitude.

Anyway the saleslady that sold me my Sub was there too. She offered me 20% off ($4800 instead of $5925). I payed for it in cash and was about to leave when I checked the serial number. It was a "Z". I told her I am not going to purchase a three-year-old watch. She said fine and that she could order a "V".

She called later on and told me that she could only do 10% off on a "V". I think that's an insult because not only was I treated like crap the day before, they tried selling me a three-year-old watch without telling me.

Should I take the "V" serial for 10% off or should I just get my money back?

I would get your money back.I wouldnt pay more than $3700 for a z and thats what I would offer her.She should take it.

11 August 2009, 05:22 AM	#1
mretzloff "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Watch: Submariner Date Posts: 822	Premium for an Explorer II? I stopped by my AD today. There was a new manager working there, so he obviously did not know I was a returning customer. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, I tried on an Explorer II, which, to my knowledge, is one of Rolex's less popular models. Instead of offering me a discount he said I'd have to pay more than MSRP for the watch if I'm paying in cash. Excuse me, but WTF was that guy smoking? Next thing, he'll charge me a fee just to look at the watch. __________________ "M" 16610 Submariner "M" 16570w Explorer II

11 August 2009, 05:33 AM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,160	Well, I don't think that it is one of Rolex "less popular" models......... They sell better than the Yachtmasters, anything TT, and are only rivaled in the Sport line-up by the Sub and GMT... But, still, there should never be a premium at any AD for one... and especially not if you were paying cash __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

11 August 2009, 05:36 AM	#7
mretzloff "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Watch: Submariner Date Posts: 822	What type of discount should I ask for? 15%? __________________ "M" 16610 Submariner "M" 16570w Explorer II

11 August 2009, 08:16 AM	#12
B Square "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Boyd Location: NC Posts: 1,815	Matthew, if you are speaking of Lion's in Phillips Place they called me an offered an Expy ll for $4800 and would ship out of state to save tax !!!! Boyd __________________ 16610M 16710Z Pepsi 16570V White

11 August 2009, 05:44 PM	#19
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	No way can there ever be a premium of any of the 2 Exp-II models. They are easy to buy, but very hard to sell. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

11 August 2009, 05:25 AM	#2
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	WHAT???? That is ridiculous! Makes no sense whatsoever.

11 August 2009, 05:31 AM	#4
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	Matthew, would you consider buying a brand new one from one of our trusted grey dealers here? You could save closer to 30% and not pay tax! Definitely the best way to go!

11 August 2009, 05:56 AM	#11
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	Well, since list is $5,925 and GD's sells them for around $4,500 you figure the discount.

11 August 2009, 11:56 AM	#16
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!??? i would have laughed so hard....i wouldnt have have been able to hold it in!!!!!!!!!!!

11 August 2009, 11:58 AM	#17
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	here ya go, dude http://www.alanfurman.com/noframes/rp16570blk.htm

11 August 2009, 05:42 PM	#18
Woody "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Africa Posts: 1,120	Here in the UK it is difficult to get any form of discount from an AD on any of the Rolex sports models - that said I did get over 40% discount (on list price) from my AD when purchasing my pre-owned Explorer II (18 months old) so there are some deals to be had on this particular model if you search around. Great watch.

12 August 2009, 01:38 AM	#20
acce1999 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: GMT+1 Posts: 2,711	My Experience from Explorer II's is that you can get them at a good discount. At least I have been able to get mine at a much better price than many other watches. Explorer IIs do not move that fast where I live, but it seems that they are getting more popular every day now... Best, A

12 August 2009, 01:55 AM	#21
Timber Loftis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Jon Location: Chicago Watch: IIc,DJII,P244,A1-Z Posts: 2,857	You should still be able to get one at a some discount. They turn up regularly here on these forums, too. That said, I know a dealer who is buying up all the Expy II's that he can because he believes very soon that Rolex will update the model.

12 August 2009, 03:34 AM	#22
mretzloff "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Watch: Submariner Date Posts: 822	Here's an update: I went back today and the jerk salesperson was nicer. I also found out that he was not even a manager or anyone important. He was just a salesperson with an attitude. Anyway the saleslady that sold me my Sub was there too. She offered me 20% off ($4800 instead of $5925). I payed for it in cash and was about to leave when I checked the serial number. It was a "Z". I told her I am not going to purchase a three-year-old watch. She said fine and that she could order a "V". She called later on and told me that she could only do 10% off on a "V". I think that's an insult because not only was I treated like crap the day before, they tried selling me a three-year-old watch without telling me. Should I take the "V" serial for 10% off or should I just get my money back? __________________ "M" 16610 Submariner "M" 16570w Explorer II

12 August 2009, 04:32 AM	#25
behardt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Yoda Location: USA Posts: 468	All idiots will reveal themselves... __________________ "The world embarrasses me, and I cannot dream that this watch exists and has no watchmaker." Voltaire

12 August 2009, 04:52 AM	#26
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Just done the converstion on this, that is one expensive watch. A new one in the UK today is £3600 less a decent discount. Would love to here the salesperson's take on the initial converstation. Every story has two sides. __________________ Why have what's new when you have what's best. f

12 August 2009, 05:06 AM	#28
cajun_one Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jeremy Location: Broussard Watch: S.S. Sub-Date Posts: 105	You should pay 4300.00-4500.00 for this watch new right now. I haven't even tried hard, but have seen many dealers on here that would give that price a run. Tell them to stick the watch where the sun doesn't shine.

12 August 2009, 05:12 AM	#29
Christiaan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Christiaan Location: Fort Mill, SC Watch: 67' Breitling Navi Posts: 1,617	Get your $$$ back and go grey market. why pay top $ AND getting treated like crap?

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