Would there be a market for a GMT Sub Date

[SavGADawg]

Curious to know how many would be interested in a Sub Date with a GMT function. Many professional and recreational divers travel and could make use of the GMT. The unidirectional bezel is a feature not offered on current GMT models (including ExpII) and is certainly a mainstay on a dive watch.

Thoughts?

[Driver8]

If it said "Rolex" on the dial, then yes, there would be a market for it.

[porky51]

I would love this multifunctionality but I doubt it would ever be done by Rolex. They want to sell you two watches instead of one and done.

The bezel on the pre ceramic GMT could be used as a timer.

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[Osmin]

No.
With current way Rolex can sell two watches.
And how would you include Minute and 24h scale into bezel?

[aftereffector]

Normally I would say “absolutely not” but if Rolex made one, I’m sure somebody would buy it.

[cdm765]

Yes, but they wouldn’t do it because idiots like me end up buying Submariner and GMT instead…

[Mystro]

A major faux pas in the ideology of Rolex.

[Krash]

I think it would be superfluous.


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[SavGADawg]

You wouldn't incorporate the two. The bezel would need to have a minute scale with lume, as the Sub does. The 24hr scale would need to be incorporated into the dial.

Originally Posted by Osmin

No.
With current way Rolex can sell two watches.
And how would you include Minute and 24h scale into bezel?

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Krash

I think it would be superfluous.


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Pretty sure for 99.9% of us the 300m WR is superfluous, as well as spending $10k on a watch haha.

[Stan Cooper]

Originally Posted by Osmin

No.
With current way Rolex can sell two watches.
And how would you include Minute and 24h scale into bezel?

Zelos managed. It's a bit cluttered, but certainly doable.

[amh]

I hope not. It would be neither fish nor fowl (kind of like many Omegas)

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Driver8

If it said "Rolex" on the dial, then yes, there would be a market for it.

This is of course the correct answer, despite whether it’s a good idea or not

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

Pretty sure for 99.9% of us the 300m WR is superfluous, as well as spending $10k on a watch haha.

And that justifies adding a GMT function on top of it?


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[Guppydriver]

A diver's watch for frequent travelers? Sure, there would be market and I am sure it wouldn't be sitting in stores collecting dust. I assume a 24 scale on the rehaut with a unidirectional timing bezel.

Longines just introduced a value driven option of just this a few days ago.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Krash

And that justifies adding a GMT function on top of it?


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lol Did I say that? I'm just saying there are no rules here and everything regarding rolex today is superfluous.

One of the hottest, hardest to get watches currently is a day date the displays neither a day or a date. It displays emojis

I know that compared to a sub/GMT, the emoji watch is literally on the opposite end of the functionality spectrum, but ultimately the days of these watches being utilitarian are over.

I personally don't want to ever see a Sub/GMT, but the question wasn't "do you want it?" or "is this justified?", the question is, would there be a market for it?

[Marcjvr]

Originally Posted by SavGADawg

Curious to know how many would be interested in a Sub Date with a GMT function. Many professional and recreational divers travel and could make use of the GMT. The unidirectional bezel is a feature not offered on current GMT models (including ExpII) and is certainly a mainstay on a dive watch.

Thoughts?

It would be this basically

[SavGADawg]

Yep. Replace the bezel with a unidirectional + lume and you're there.

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

It would be this basically

[Subzy]

A GMT is a pretty pointless need on a watch for the vast majority of people, its not that hard to add / subtract some hours and work out the local time in another timezone.

[kieselguhr]

Why not just dive with a GMT?

It’s more than capable

[SavGADawg]

Definitely a great option! Capable for shallower dives. Lack of lume could be a problem for some.

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

Why not just dive with a GMT?

It’s more than capable

[doublevanose82]

Originally Posted by Driver8

If it said "Rolex" on the dial, then yes, there would be a market for it.

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

Why not just dive with a GMT?

It’s more than capable

I did this a few times as well. The only draw back is the 2.5 minute variance you get with a GMT bezel if you don’t start right on the 5 minute marker. I would prefer the GMT to have the old 120 click bezel instead of the 24 click bezel. That way a modern GMT could be used as a more precise timing device.

[Roddypeepa]

That would be too ‘Omega’ for Rolex.

Not for me.


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[the dark knight]

Diver GMTs seem to be having a moment right now for sure. Not sure if Rolex would make one anytime soon, but I could definitely see Tudor doing it, maybe as soon as next year. All they would have to do is slap a timing bezel and a 24hr subchapter ring on the BB Pro or BB GMT.

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by Mystro

I did this a few times as well. The only draw back is the 2.5 minute variance you get with a GMT bezel if you don’t start right on the 5 minute marker. I would prefer the GMT to have the old 120 click bezel instead of the 24 click bezel. That way a modern GMT could be used as a more precise timing device.

I completely agree with the 120 click vs the 24 click bezel.

On that note, this mechanical change by Rolex likely alludes to their intent of keeping the Submariner and GMT lines distinct.

[KatGirl]

The Steinhart GMT has a 120 click unidirectional diver, with 300M WR. If used for diving, you just have to adjust your thinking, when using the bezel markings. Ie: the 2 is 5 minutes, the 4 is 10 minutes, etc. It’s not optimal, but I don’t see Rolex doing this. Since I’m not a diver, I see my GMT as a water sport capable GMT watch, but not an actual dive watch.

Kat


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[Old Expat Beast]

ISO-certified Diver with 72-hr PR, ceramic bezel insert and GMT. Priced round $1,500.

Based on Seiko's 1968 Dive watch. Good article here by James Stacey.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/se...383-and-spb385

[the dark knight]

I also realized you could also have such a watch with a GMT bezel and a rotating inner ring ala the JLC Polaris or IWC Aquatimer. Anyone know if such a watch exists? Wouldn't be my cup of tea as I'm not a fan of that design, but I am curious.

[amh]

Nice watch but means the GMT position is difficult to read with the dive bezel.

IMO the plain black GMT II posted earlier already satisfies the OP's need. Great GMT function with enough diving capability. Everyone flies with a Rolex, very few dive with them. (Ocean, not pool)

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

ISO-certified Diver with 72-hr PR, ceramic bezel insert and GMT. Priced round $1,500.

Based on Seiko's 1968 Dive watch. Good article here by James Stacey.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/se...383-and-spb385