Rolex White Yacht-Master II Or Patek Nautilus 5711/1A Or Patek Nautilus 5712/1A

[Cigarlvr]

Patek 5711 would be my choice

[OLJR]

I was not too keen on the look of the YMII based on Rolex.com.

However I have seen both models at my local AD and also a WG in the wild at DOH airport arrivals. My opinion has now changed and I think that they look stunning.

The GMT Master says this watch is a technical marvel and I am sure that he is right. I have never seen any piece like it.

[drtooth73]

In response to longterm value, the Patek is the one of a very few brands that would have a higher resale than Rolex. 5712 most likely will only gain, while YM will only lose.

[drtooth73]

In response to longterm value, the Patek is the one of a very few brands that would have a higher resale than Rolex. 5712 most likely will only gain, while YM will only lose.

[dannyp]

Let me start out by saying this: I own a Patek (Aquanaut 5065) and a Rolex (Explorer II) and my Rolex is more durable, a little more comfortable, keeps better time and requires less service but if I could only have one it would be the Patek, since it's much, much more unusual and special.

Personally, I think if the OP likes the look of the YMII, he should consider the PP 5980. It's closer in price to the Rolex, but it's a really cool looking watch. I don't like the 5912 because the face is too busy and cluttered.

And, while I prefer the style of my older Aquanaut, I still prefer the new Aquanaut to the Nautilus, either on the rubber strap or metal bracelet. Keep in mind, in spite of the Rolex's unique movement, you can still find similarly styled watches for much, much less.

[Yazo]

Originally Posted by drtooth73

In response to longterm value, the Patek is the one of a very few brands that would have a higher resale than Rolex. 5712 most likely will only gain, while YM will only lose.

I disagree... personally if ANY of the modern Rolex's ever become "collectible" in the future and are to be considered like a vintage DRSD or Daytona... I think the YMII is the one. The reason being is if history has taught us anything, the current least desirable watch becomes one of the most wanted decades later - re: Steve McQueen ExpyII and the PN Daytona.

[Le Chef]

5712/1a without question. Iconic design thanks to Gerald Genta. Best movement finishing of any watch brand anywhere. The 3/4 rotor movement is exquisite and the case finishing has many very nice features that show obsessive attention to detail. And it will keep it's value exceptionally well. But I am biased as I own a 5712G.

[mjrennie]

Originally Posted by rolexplorer2

I have never liked the design of any watch PP has ever made so it would be the YM II that gets my vote.

I agree. Rolex all the way.

[TRW]

YM2 in YG

[Rani Drama]

Originally Posted by Le Chef

5712/1a without question. Iconic design thanks to Gerald Genta. Best movement finishing of any watch brand anywhere. The 3/4 rotor movement is exquisite and the case finishing has many very nice features that show obsessive attention to detail. And it will keep it's value exceptionally well. But I am biased as I own a 5712G.

Drool the Patek 5712 in white gold on a strap is my absolute grail. Now just need to start a business empire.

[tomchicago]

i heavily researched getting a Patek. conculsion was: although fabulous pieces of work, they are very finicky watches and break often. plus, there are highly mixed reviews on the caliber of post-purchase product support. i.e., if u bash it against a door jamb accidentally, you may have just bought yourself a very lengthy, likely pricey, possibly attitude-laden service.

some of the automatics don't wind themselves well, and the manual winds can be easily overwound apparently.

they are great pieces but u are def possibly signing up for a lot of increased hassle over a rollie.

[wisguy]

The answer it's simple, the Nautilus is the better watch.

[drtooth73]

Originally Posted by Yazo

I disagree... personally if ANY of the modern Rolex's ever become "collectible" in the future and are to be considered like a vintage DRSD or Daytona... I think the YMII is the one. The reason being is if history has taught us anything, the current least desirable watch becomes one of the most wanted decades later - re: Steve McQueen ExpyII and the PN Daytona.

i guess we'll see.
i dont like this thread anymore, since i started thinking now about getting a PP for myself.....

[crowncollection]

i don't like the new ym2, patek is the go, but overpriced IMHO for what you get

[Paracentesis]

Originally Posted by tomchicago

i heavily researched getting a Patek. conculsion was: although fabulous pieces of work, they are very finicky watches and break often. plus, there are highly mixed reviews on the caliber of post-purchase product support. i.e., if u bash it against a door jamb accidentally, you may have just bought yourself a very lengthy, likely pricey, possibly attitude-laden service.

some of the automatics don't wind themselves well, and the manual winds can be easily overwound apparently.

they are great pieces but u are def possibly signing up for a lot of increased hassle over a rollie.

All of the above is incorrect.

[Paracentesis]

Originally Posted by Le Chef

But I am biased as I own a 5712G.

You are a lucky man.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by Paracentesis

All of the above is incorrect.

Unfortunately, I've confirmed much of what was listed above, in terms of them being finicky and needing frequent service. Mine is in the shop for the second time since acquiring it about six years ago (not including the first time it stopped within a month of purchase and was replaced under warranty). Now that it's out of warranty, though, I just use a PP certified watchmaker, so it's a bit cheaper. And I am NOT an abusive wearer...

I don't know about the manual wind versions being overwound, and I can't say that I've had anything but the best experience with PP staff I've talked to, though.

[p_mcgee]

Never had an issue with my manual Patek (5916R) being overwound. You can feel the crown tighten up when its fully wound, so you would have to be careless to keep going and do any damage.

[Badandy]

Originally Posted by rolexplorer2

I have never liked the design of any watch PP has ever made so it would be the YM II that gets my vote.

Wait, what?

[tkc324]

Ym2....

[apeogre]

None of them are my style.

[Intruder99]

Which has the best posing power? YM2

[Le Chef]

No issues with reliability or durability on my Pateks. A lot of false information in that area. As to posing power - agree on the YM. Which is why I would never own one.

[Intruder99]

The trouble with the YM2 is the bold letters YATCH-MASTER 2 written around the bezel. I don't think many people would be totally comfortable with it in all situations. It is impossible to pose with a PP, because they are so refined.

[Seventh Son]

I know this is a Rolex forum but in this case It's PP all the way!!!

[TattooedGQ]

I'm not a fan of the Patek divers, nor am I a fan of the Clownmaster II. But when you stack them up against each other, I'd go with the Patek hands down.